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Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:50PM (#25676318)
You're comparing a speculative mania in fictional crime-bucks to a speculative mania in a car company worth more than Facebook while simultaneously selling just 4% as many cars as Toyota. Tesla's price to earnings ratio is 1500 meaning it would take until the year 3521 for it to earn back its market cap.

The fact you're even making this assessment tells me this isn't going to end well for anyone.

Heed my warning: The bubble pops when the last bear dies.

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by cactus2093 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:00PM (#25676489)
You could also call gold "speculative mania in shiny trinkets with little utility", but that one has lasted thousands of years so far. Describing something in colorful language doesn't make it a strong argument.

Being so sure that BTC is a bubble is just as naive as being completely sure it's going up to a million dollars per coin. It's just speculation either way, and there is no fundamental law of nature (or even principle of economics) preventing either outcome.

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:09PM (#25676633)
> Being so sure that BTC is a bubble is just as naive as being completely sure it's going up to a million dollars per coin. It's just speculation either way, and there is no fundamental law of nature (or even principle of economics) preventing either outcome.

Which is why I'm not playing. And why I don't have any gold.

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tlrobinson on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:08PM (#25676612)
> meaning it would take until the year 3521 for it to earn back its market cap

There are much better ways to make this argument than extrapolating based on current earnings forever.

e.x. “Tesla would have to capture X% of worldwide automobile sales AND capture Y% of worldwide taxi/ridesharing market share AND etc”

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:13PM (#25676692)
I'm aware of the bull case. However in general, pie-in-the-sky dreams aren't factored into asset prices like that.

For instance, Apple has a market cap of 2.2T a P/E of 40. Tesla has a market cap of 0.8T and a P/E of 1602.

Apple could get into all those markets, so should we value it at, uh, let me run the numbers here... 88 trillion dollars?

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tlrobinson on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:27PM (#25677753)
I’m not trying to argue Tesla isn’t overvalued, I just think simply pointing to the P/E isn’t a good way to make that argument.
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tehlike on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:54PM (#25676383)
As the money printing goes, assets will inflate and inflation will catch up, and it will be somewhat balanced....
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:55PM (#25676402)
I'd love a citation on that if you have one, I have seen no evidence the two are connected. The money was printed to counter deflationary pressure. This succeeded, and the rate of inflation is tracking at 2% per expectations.
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tempsy on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:00PM (#25676481)
Replace Tesla with Facebook, or a fraction of one large tech company, or less than the $900B stimulus bill that was just passed.

My point was only that it’s a currently a small fraction of the overall US equity market, and if it becomes increasingly widely accepted as a reserve currency comparable to the dollar or an inflation protected asset like gold then there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be worth trillions.

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:03PM (#25676546)
There's not a single reason why it should be worth anything at all.
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tempsy on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:15PM (#25677584)
the market doesn’t conform to your personal biases
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by arcticbull on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:24PM (#25677722)
What makes you think the amount someone is willing to pay for something at any given moment is a proxy for its intrinsic value? Enron traded sky high until it didn't. Tulip bulbs traded sky high until they didn't.

That people are willing to pay for it doesn't mean it should be worth anything. Worth is not price. And a high price certainly doesn't mean something is good for the world. If I offered $1,000,000 for each silverback gorilla pelt you procure, (a) is that a proxy for its worth and (b) is that good for the world?

The market tends to conform to my personal biases, my personal investing account just crossed 14X what it was on 3/20. I tend to short irrationality but in this case I have no interest in shooting dice in a rigged casino.

Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tehlike on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:06PM (#25680548)
Sounds like someone either bought tesla or went into options. Feel free to 14x your account 3 times in a row.
Re:Coinbase hits number 30 in the top free apps on Apple's m... by tempsy on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:43PM (#25678708)
ok.