Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by glenstein on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:36PM
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The specific allegations about voter fraud as believed by millions are indisputably fraudulent.
You are trying to equivocate between those specifically and indisputably false allegations and something completely different: a much more generalized and vaguely expressed set of concerns with election security writ large.
These have nothing to do with each other and yet you are equivocating between them.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by syspec on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:23PM
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Nothing will calm those people down. No amount of evidence will change any of those peoples minds.
Especially not 10 days of "investigation" by congress who they already do not trust.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by woofie11 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:29PM
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That's exactly what the other side says about BLM.
With that attitude -- that there are tens of millions of people who can't be trusted or reasoned with and need to be locked up and silenced -- civil war is inevitable.
"Those people" are human beings too. You might not agree with them and they might be wrong, but they're not very different from you. They're just exposed to different culture and information.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by throwaway316943 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:02PM
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Don’t be so tribal. You’re othering a broad swath of people, most of whom are quite reasonable. Hyperbole and lack of communication and empathy are what got us into this mess in the first place. This shit comes from both sides and it has to stop.
1) Lying to them that elections are secure, and telling them to sit down and shut up
2) Taking concerns seriously and addressing them
Your premise is that #1 will prevent a violence. My claim is that #2 will.
You can flipped this around. We had a lot of violence and lawless behavior around BLM protests. What would have calmed people down? Telling them we didn't have racism, to go home, and shut up? Or providing a clear process to address their concerns peacefully?
I think most folks on the right will move on from the Trump election if the left knocks it off with "sit down and shut up," which is coincidentally the exact language right wing commentators use.
As a footnote, which concerns are valid is almost irrelevant. For this, what matters is which concerns people believe.