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Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ls612 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:42AM (#25673304)
The only reason the fairness doctrine could even plausibly exist constitutionally was because radio and tv were broadcast media using a public good (spectrum). Cable TV, newspapers were not affected and the internet likely wouldn’t have been affected either.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by SilasX on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:01PM (#25673637)
That always felt like a dubious standard. Parkland is a public good, but the Supreme Court would insta-smackdown any FD-style restriction on political speech in parks.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ineedasername on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:12PM (#25673822)
The nature of each "public good" could be evaluated to determine what was appropriate to ensure all citizens equal access to a public good.

FD just required a media outlet to make sure the media basically gave another candidate the opportunity to access, it didn't actually require equal time, not unless that candidate wanted to, or in the case of advertisements was willing to buy them.

Certainly parkland should be equally available to members of different political parties, but it's not like you have to use the same standard either: the nature of a "public good" would determine the nature of what fair equal access meant. For airwaves it's one thing. For a limited physical resource it's another.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by SilasX on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:23PM (#25674007)
Parkland is a limited physical resource.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ineedasername on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:38PM (#25677896)
So is radio spectrum. Regardless, as I said, you determine for each "public good" what appropriate fairness means. You don't back down from it just because doing the right thing isn't as easy as doing the easy thing.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by SilasX on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:52PM (#25678079)
Right, so you haven't identified what's different about one that makes the FD the right answer in one case.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by pythonaut_16 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:57PM (#25674614)
But limited in a different way than radio spectrum.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by mehrdadn on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:23PM (#25674008)
What's the reasoning for the distinction? How is spectrum over the air a public good but spectrum over wires not?
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:34PM (#25674216)
The broadcast spectrum is considered a limited-supply public property, so the FCC (or other national equivalents) issues licenses allowing organizations (or standards) to use parts of it.

Wires are not limited supply in any meaningful sense (just install more), and in many parts of the world, not even public property.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by Retric on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:45PM (#25674418)
You must cross public property ie roads to install a large scale wired network. That said, it’s a difference in scale creating a difference in kind.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:58PM (#25674648)
The involves being granted easements, which are also not a limited public good in the general case.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by mehrdadn on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:38PM (#25675241)
> just install more

It's so hard to take that seriously (e.g., exactly how many sets of cables per home is reasonable? and how often can people be expected to change them?), but even if I somehow do:

How is that different from, say, electric power, as far as constitutionality goes? We have the Federal (Water) Powers Act, FERC, etc. that regulate power distribution (among other things). I would've thought these are all easy to constitutionally justify the regulation of based on other clauses (like the Commerce Clause).

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:34PM (#25676079)
"more" in this context can mean "reach more locations" or "increase the bandwidth to existing locations". I'm not aware of bandwidth issues requiring much more than an update maybe once in 50-100 years. For example, where I live in rural NM, the houses around here presumably got paired telephone wires on the order of 50-100 years ago, and then within the last 10-15 years they got rewired with multi-twisted-pair cables that easily get to 50Mbps. While in 80 years that might not be considered sufficient, I doubt anyone will seriously suggest another round of recabling within that time frame.

But anyway, you really seem to be missing the fundamental point here: there is no limited "spectrum" for wiring in the sense of multiple possible parties who want to use "parts of it" for various purposes. If you assign the XMHz to YMHz band of the electromagnetic spectrum to some purpose, it's gone, it cannot be used for anything else, by anyone else, across a potentially vast geographic area. There's no equivalent for this in the context of digital (or analog) data moving down wires.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by xxpor on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:55AM (#25673513)
Yeah exactly. We might not have had Rush Limbaugh in the mid-90s, but we still would have had Fox News or whatever.