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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by glial on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:19AM (#25672869)
I’m sorry, but can you really not think of any other way to subdue somebody with a knife than shoot them?
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:43AM (#25673317)
A knife wielded as a weapon within 20ft of you is very definitely a lethal threat. I don't know the circumstances of this particular situation very well, but if I shot someone coming at me with a knife and an intent to harm I'd be well justified in doing so.
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by riversflow on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:54PM (#25674565)
You aren’t a cop. I’m 100% in agreement that if a citizen gets attacked by a knife wielder, the use of lethal force in defense is fine. However cops are professional peace keepers. They have training, equipment and numbers on their side. You can watch videos of European cops dealing with a knife threat, it’s really not hard.
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by cygx on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:38AM (#25673230)
Circumstances matter, but it can be done (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY made the news a while ago).

Here in Germany, people wielding knives get killed from time to time as well. Pepper spray tends to get used first, and I do not remember any case where a dozen rounds were fired[1] (German police fire on the order of 50 rounds total per year, cf https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengebrauch_der_Polizei_in_... ).

[1] edit: apparently, this does happen, cf https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Eisenberg

Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by cutemonster on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:49AM (#25673436)
A police officer i knew, in Europe, had practiced self defence and disarmed the knife person, no one hurt.

I would have wanted a tazer, personally, if i was a cop.

Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by leereeves on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:35AM (#25673181)
Never having been in a knife fight, I'm not going to speculate or second guess people who put their lives on the line. What's your expertise in this area?
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by glial on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:41AM (#25673291)
No expertise, but just offhand one could use beanbags, rubber bullets, tear gas, pepper spray, tranquilizers, etc - Is there a good reason that these are not options? Why jump straight to shooting someone multiple times? Maybe I’m just not understanding something.
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by leereeves on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:48AM (#25673402)
I don't know how effective any of those are at stopping someone who intends to hurt you, but Tasers, which were specifically discussed because the officers weren't carrying any and some people thought they might have helped, apparently are only between 50% to 75% effective.[1] That's a big risk when someone is only a few steps away.

1: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/729922975/despite-widespread-...

Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by ficklepickle on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:44PM (#25674394)
That is only with the shooty prongs. Get right in there and a taser works 100% of the time. Hit 'em in the spine and the legs drop out. The problem is cops are too concerned about their own safety. They are cowards, and when they get scared they shoot.
Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by zhengyi13 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:32PM (#25675162)
This is oversimplification, and is unhelpful.

Public and local priorities determine budgets. Departmental budgets and priorities determine what equipment is purchased and equipped, and the degree to which their usage is trained. Training and official departmental policy determine the degree to which de-escalation is a priority, and whether the officers are obligated to follow an escalation policy in which tools they employ, or if they're permitted a toolkit approach.

... and all of these things differ per locality.