Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach

Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by sneak on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:15AM (#25668949)

> This was a substantial threat to democracy as we know it.

The US democracy is not threatened by violence against any single building or even most sets of people.

Had they burned the building to the ground and somehow caused the deaths of everyone inside, the US democracy would continue. They did not achieve anything remotely close to that.

There is no basis for calling some angry rioters smashing windows and smoking pot "a substantial threat to democracy". None.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by Ovah on Thursday January 07, 2021 @10:37AM (#25672182)

Anything that grinds ongoing Senate election proceedings to a halt by force is a threat to democracy. Regardless of the insurgents political agenda. There are no ifs or buts here. There can still be violence even if nobody gets hurt. Yesterday the violence of a few (temporarily) silenced the voices of all voting Americans.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by nullc on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:18AM (#25669758)

Exactly.

Protests that turn destructive are bad, no doubt about it. But the hyperbole is painful.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by mechEpleb on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:32AM (#25669856)

The protests/riots aren't that bad IMO, this kind of stuff happens. What is bad is the root cause - an elected official fighting tooth and nail to retain power after being voted out, and finding real support among a large fraction of the population.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by Ovah on Thursday January 07, 2021 @10:49AM (#25672343)

A sieged Senate just doesn't fall into 'stuff happens'. The last it happened was by the hands and torches of British troops during wartime.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by kansface on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:22AM (#25672961)

See eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_L%C3%B3pez_Rivera (off the top of my head, there are probably others).

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by nullc on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:24PM (#25674042)

If you extend to the states, it's not that exceptional:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black-panthers-california-196...

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by sneak on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:30AM (#25683605)

What the Panthers did in California is not comparable at all. I encourage you to listen to the account of the day in their own words.

They came armed (nominal, as they went armed everywhere) to a peaceful prearranged meeting at the statehouse. The media turned it into a crazy narrative because black men carrying long arms were photographed inside the statehouse.

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Re:Infosec implications of the US Capitol physical breach by mechEpleb on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:28PM (#25678547)

There are other countries on the planet. Rioters breaking into parliaments is not exactly common, but it's not particularly shocking either

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