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Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by dragonwriter on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:38AM (#25668305)
And at the outset, they changed the rules specifically to make his violations not violations (with an exception for leaders motivated by the constant complaints about his incessant violations); it was only toward the end that they restored the idea that there were rules that could apply to Trump (though they were still weaker than the generally applicable rules.)
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:36AM (#25668698)
I think that made sense to be honest; like it or not, Trump is the elected president, and denying the democratically elected president of your country access to your platform is quite the step. I mean, I sure don't like the entire situation as such, but in the same position, I probably would have done something similar.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by KozmoNau7 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:19AM (#25668977)
It would draw some criticisms, but Twitter would be banning his personal account, the one he used before becoming president and will probably use afterwards, providing it isn't banned.

The official Twitter account of the POTUS is @POTUS, not @realdonaldtrump.

Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:54AM (#25669230)
It's a bit of a fine line though; and wouldn't Trump just start tweeting at the @POTUS account? In fact, if I check it, it already looks just like @realdonaldtrump accounts since it's just retweets from there.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by vkou on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:18AM (#25668969)
He should be subject to the same rules as everyone else. Are all men not equal in this country?
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:52AM (#25669220)
As an elected official you're usually given a bit more breathing space in these kind of issues. This is the case in more or less any similar country.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by dragonwriter on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:17PM (#25673898)
> This is the case in more or less any similar country. reply

That’s true in the sense that Twitter’s rules change specifically motivated by Trump’s violation of their pre-existing rules applied globally, not just in the US, and enabled and was seized on by similarly-oriented leaders elsewhere, as well.

Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:19PM (#25674995)
It's not just about Twitter; in my own country the courts gave our own Trumpian firebrand Geert Wilders more leeway on account of being a democratically elected MP in two separate rulings. Actually, many countries have presidential and/or parliamentary immunity laws, partly so they can say what they think without fear of prosecution. Twitter is just following this long-standing precedent.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by vkou on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:43PM (#25675304)
> Actually, many countries have presidential and/or parliamentary immunity laws, partly so they can say what they think without fear of prosecution.

Those laws are a mistake, because sooner or later, you elect a man who revels in being above the law, and who will act accordingly. Yesterday, such a man started a coup, in order to retain power. A few days before that, he was committing election fraud in Georgia. These are serious crimes, the consequences of which he is shielded from.

It's just a modern version of the divine right of kings.

Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:34PM (#25676089)
So I can file charges against MPs if I believe that "taxation is theft"? Or the next government can if they don't like my tax laws? Or charge MPs for libel or slander for saying their opinion about something? What if homosexuality is illegal and I say it should be legal, can I be charged then?

These laws exist for a reason. And just because Trump is Trump doesn't mean it doesn't work well most of the time. Remember this is the same man chanting "lock her up" and promised to change libel laws so he could sue everyone and their mother. Do you think he wouldn't have gone after elected officials with lawsuits?

And for most countries these laws are very far from absolute, and/or come with escape hatches.

Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by vkou on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:52PM (#25677302)
> So I can file charges against MPs if I believe that "taxation is theft"?

If you are a DA, yes. Private citizens can't file criminal charges. A judge would throw your case out, and you'd probably be disbarred, though. Those are the checks and balances inside our legal system.

If you can't see the difference between POTUS committing a clearly defined crime (Say, election fraud... Or sedition.) and the legal 'theories' of the sovereign citizen movement, I don't know what to say.

> Or charge MPs for libel or slander for saying their opinion about something?

1. You can already do that. Libel and slander are civil cases, and you can sue anyone you want in civil court, for any reason whatsoever, including POTUS.

2. If the courts find it to actually be libel or slander, why the hell not? If an elected official knowingly spreads lies and falsehoods that cause you material harm, you should be entitled to restitution.

> These laws exist for a reason.

Yes, elected officials passed them to protect themselves from legal consequences for their actions.

> And just because Trump is Trump doesn't mean it doesn't work well most of the time.

No, it doesn't work well most of the time. There's a very clear lack of equality under the law in this country - with the executive, its minions, and its friends being very clearly above the law.

> Remember this is the same man chanting "lock her up" and promised to change libel laws so he could sue everyone and their mother.

So, hold on, let's break this down.

We currently have laws that protect the executive from criminal prosecution.

This protection, at the moment, only applies to the current executive, not someone who might become part of the executive in the future.

And you are concerned that weakening these laws will let the current executive attack their future opposition.

... That doesn't make a lick of sense. Prior to getting elected, Trump had no power to 'lock her up'. After Trump got elected, Hillary was no longer protected, because she was not part of the executive.

How exactly is making the sitting president immune to criminal prosecution protect their political opponents from his vindictive behaviour? If anything, it empowers his vindictive behaviour. He is using these laws to protect himself, as he attack his opposition, and prevents a peaceful transfer of power.

And yes, I'm aware that impeachment exists. The impeachment process is a kangaroo court, the impartiality of which would make a Soviet judge blush.

Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours by arp242 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:22PM (#25678475)
All I'm saying that in general these laws are common, exist in many countries, exist for good reasons, and that Twitter is acting according to their precedent. Are there downsides and is it a trade-off? Sure, most things are.

I'm not really interested about a conversation about various details; especially not if your response is just a flat unnuanced "elected officials passed them to protect themselves from legal consequences". I'm not even talking about the US specifically. The world is larger than the US, and the US doesn't even have MPs. I don't even know the specifics of the US laws on this.