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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by krapp on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @09:36PM (#25666608)
No matter what BLM did or didn't do - and saying they burned and looted cities for months is clear right-wing hyperbole - Trump supporters stormed the Capital, destroyed property, looted, committed violence and planted explosives in an attempt to disrupt the legitimate process of government and overturn the Presidential election.

They are exactly the breed of fascists that everyone thought they were. You can blame the left as easily as you breathe but there isn't enough whataboutism in the world to negate that.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by djsumdog on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:03AM (#25668084)
What happened in Capitol hill pales in comparison to BLM. I watched them burn the streets of Chicago. They looted stores in the loop, twice. There are stores that are gone forever.

Nobody set the capitol on fire. The majority of protesters didn't even enter the building. They damaged some property in a public building. They didn't set a police station on fire.

There is absolutely no way you can compare what happened on the 6th to any BLM race riot. Was it wrong? absolutely. They should not have done it. But the left has burned and looted. Portland has been absolutely insane. A 14 year old black kid was killed in CHAZ by community police that shot up a white Jeep and then tried to get rid of all the evidences.

The Supreme Court dismissed the Texas lawsuit with three sentences. Three sentences!!! SCOTUS is the only venue for a state to challenge any other state.

People have lost faith in the system, not because of the orange man bad, but because the system if fucking broken. People are totally unwilling to even acknowledge the idea or concept that wide spread mail in ballot fraud happened, when it certainly did.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by meowface on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:29AM (#25671396)
>People are totally unwilling to even acknowledge the idea or concept that wide spread mail in ballot fraud happened, when it certainly did.

This is the crux of the issue; one of the two movies playing on the same screen.

You and many other Trump voters genuinely believe this to be the case. The opposition believes there's no credible evidence not only for wide spread mail-in ballot fraud but not even for minor, scattered cases (besides the rare outliers here and there that are inevitable for every election).

This one particular issue carries the potential to catalyze a chain reaction that eventually leads to conflict or war, so I think it's extremely important that people at the very least take the discussion seriously and try to help bridge the gap between the two movies. If this doesn't happen, the screen might just get ripped asunder.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by colejohnson66 on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:20PM (#25696900)
> The Supreme Court dismissed the Texas lawsuit with three sentences. Three sentences!!! SCOTUS is the only venue for a state to challenge any other state.

The same Supreme Court with six conservative justices? If Trump couldn’t convince the conservative justices anywhere (let alone at the highest level) that there was widespread fraud, maybe there wasn’t.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by thu2111 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:45AM (#25673354)
saying they burned and looted cities for months is clear right-wing hyperbole

Wait, is it? I'm not American and even I know that Portland has been the site of continuous nightly riots for months now. It stopped being reported a long time ago but it's still happening. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo posts pictures and videos of it every single day all summer and winter. They smash up and burn buildings all the time, and that includes repeated attacks on federal courthouses.

Ngo claims the group are called antifa and the rioters all seem to be white, but they claim to be BLM and to be fighting against racism so I guess it's reasonable to call them BLM riots.

I mean, which kind of rioting is worse is absolutely a reasonable discussion to have, but writing off the last six months of nightly rioting in Portland as "right wing hyperbole" when there are endless pictures, videos, mugshots, etc ... well that just seems like the kind of bubble isolation that is being decried up thread.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by Falling3 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:24PM (#25676892)
Andy Ngo is completely and utterly full of shit. He spent much of 2019 working with Far Right groups like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys crafting narratives to demonize left-wing groups. He is on video discussing an upcoming brawl with Patriot Prayer. He lied about being hit by a cement milkshake. He has a long history of acting as a provocateur with no interest in objective report in any sense of the word. Helping to incite violence and feigning victim-hood is his MO. Any sentence starting with "Ngo claims" should be immediately disregarded.

The protests here in Portland have been limited to a few square blocks. The constant claims that the city is burning down are obvious hyperbole. And the completely disingenuous comparisons of these actions - however you view them - to terrorists storming the US Capitol to undermine an election is just astounding.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by thu2111 on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:05AM (#25682922)
The thing is I don't really care about your ad hominem attacks on the messenger. Ngo posts video evidence and snapshots of arrest records. His Twitter feed is a more or less constant stream of primary evidence, often presented without comment. It speaks for itself. As for limited to a few square blocks, how is that relevant to what I said? The Capitol protests/riots are limited to a few square blocks as well.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by Falling3 on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:33PM (#25687223)
Pointing out bias and lying are ad hominmem attacks now? Almost every one of the videos posted to Ngo's twitter are accompanied by his own commentary so I'm not sure how you could claim otherwise. And even if they weren't, I know of at least one specific incident where his sharing of a carefully edited video with missing information created a completely false narrative. His "reporting" has been deeply intertwined with the violence in this city, directly collaborating with violent far right groups, helping to doxx political activists and leading to multiple instances of death threats.

I understand that you're not in Oregon or even the US - and even though Ngo clearly speaks to your politics, he's not an accurate source of information. There's an abundance of information showing that to be the case.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by thu2111 on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:34PM (#25688021)
Are you specifically denying that there have been nightly riots in Portland for months? (the original claim in question)