Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by happytoexplain on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:35PM
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>They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election.
This is a fallacy. People can convince themselves of pretty much anything with the help of tribalism and leaders willing to lie. That doesn't mean you should sympathize with their desire for violence.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by xaedes on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:23AM
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I think the poster above is worried about more violence.
In which way do you read that as "sympathize with their desire for violence"?
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by yanderekko on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:59AM
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It means that they're not guilty of sedition/treason, which is what they're being accused of by the other tribe with its own desire for violence.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by ed25519FUUU on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:16AM
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Pre-2016 if you would have asked me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking?" I would have said "Absolutely yes." Post 2020 if you ask me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking" my answer is still "Absolutely yes"
Weird so many people did some kind of dipsy-doo flip-aroo with elections in 2016/2020.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by lolc on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:38AM
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But the question is not whether they are vulnerable, but whether they were actually abused. Big difference. We have evidence of the former. And virtually no evidence of the latter.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by ed25519FUUU on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:41AM
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There’s almost no way you could know. Personally I don’t like our voting technology coming from Venezula but maybe that’s just me.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by lolc on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:44PM
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I don't like the machines either. But you can't go from "could have" to "did" without evidence. Luckily where I live I get to vote on paper. It prevents such debates.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by MajorBee on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:29AM
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How about electronic voting systems backed by paper ballots?
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by rzz3 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @04:06AM
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Do you remember 2000 and the Diebold controversy? We had an Diebold engineer testifying on record about the deficiencies of these systems. I know it’s been 20 years, but I do think we need to take the integrity of our elections more seriously (and I say that being VERY happy that Trump lost the election).
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by MajorBee on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:39PM
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Well, I don't think anyone claims that electronic voting systems should be the source of truth for vote-count; it's mostly there for convenience and if there is any doubt at all about its integrity, the paper ballots can always (and often are) busted out to be counted by hand.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by rzz3 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:33PM
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Paper ballots help, but it’s still not a properly secure system.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by kace91 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @07:30AM
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> They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. Throwing around using the 25th Amendment, calling them all terrorists committing treason/sedition, is only going to reinforce that the deep state is not only real but using every tool they have to attack them.
In the words of Obama in one of his last discourses as president (or perhaps his firsts as ex-president?), "reality has a way of catching up with you". The more your beliefs deviate from reality, the more you're going to be hitting your head against a wall.
What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that?
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by yawaemworht on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:05AM
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> What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that?
Transparency.
Re:The account of realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours
by kace91 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:26PM
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What information do you feel that you're missing or being kept away from?
They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. Throwing around using the 25th Amendment, calling them all terrorists committing treason/sedition, is only going to reinforce that the deep state is not only real but using every tool they have to attack them. The constant attempts to silence them by deplatforming and a whole host of other shadowy methods is confirming that the media, big tech, higher education, is full of people that not only despise them but with they would go away forever.
If we keep going down this path I guarantee violence is coming. 50 years from now we'll end up seeing the Oklahoma bombing as the opening salvo to what came next. McVeigh went full terrorist after Waco/Ruby Ridge. Don't give these people the confirmation they're looking for.