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Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by anonAndOn on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @06:31PM (#25652754)
Maybe they'll make it out of titanium and go after the ultralight tool enthusiast market? It'll never get used, but damn it's light!
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by imglorp on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @07:55PM (#25653505)
No joke actually, there really are pro carpenter titanium hammers and they are expensive. https://youtu.be/IE0-I0T7Xhc?t=399

But these multi taskers are pretty much good at nothing.

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by jschwartzi on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @11:04PM (#25654555)
I would buy the shit out of a titanium framing hammer but only if they put a soft steel face on it. Older framing hammers are better than newer framing hammers because nails tend to smash the waffle teeth down enough that they don't tear up your thumb when you miss. Titanium is strong enough that this never happens so your hammer destroys your thumb no matter how old it is.
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by auxym on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @06:47PM (#25652938)
One of the features of a hammer is its weight. If you want a lighter hammer you can just buy a smaller one. But people buy 1 lb hammers specifically because they weigh 1 lb.
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by camillomiller on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @06:47PM (#25652934)
I was writing a comment asking what's the point of a lighter hammer, then I realized that a lighter hammer you can swing faster is actually exponentially more effective than a heavier hammer. KE = 1/2mv^2 babe! Physics, bi*ch! :)
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by GlennS on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @07:20PM (#25653241)
Do you definitely want to transfer kinetic energy more than momentum?

I reckon a lighter hammer swung faster is more likely to end up with a bent nail.

Also, exponential would be 2^v. v^2 is quadratic.

(And you need to sub in the F=ma part as well to demonstrate your point, so your gain from the lighter hammer should be less than quadratic. Exercise left to the reader.)

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by tzs on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:04PM (#25741736)
It's probably too late for anyone to see this, but I think momentum is what matters for a hammer. Here is my argument.

I'm assuming that when you swing a hammer, your arm applies a constant force to the hammer. Let's say that force is F, and we are swinging the hammer a distance of d, and the mass of the hammer is M.

Then the acceleration is a = F/M. The distance traveled in time t is 1/2 a t^2 = 1/2 F/M t^2. We want that to be d.

That happens at time t = sqrt(2dM/F). The velocity at time t is a t, so the velocity when the hammer hits the nail is v = sqrt(2dF/M).

That gives a momentum of M v = sqrt(2dFM).

The kinetic energy is 1/2 M v^2 = 1/2 M 2dF/M = d F.

Note that the momentum at distance d depends on the mass. It goes up as the square root of mass. Kinetic energy at distance d, on the other hand, does not depend on mass.

When I've hit hammers with nails, the heavy hammers have always seemed to drive the nail deeper per hit than the light hammers, which suggests that hammer mass does matter, suggesting that it is not kinetic energy that determines how deep the nail is driven.

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @10:57PM (#25654524)
> Do you definitely want to transfer kinetic energy more than momentum?

Seems that way; if you're using a hammer, the goal is for all parts of the system to come to a stop. You're trying to deform the material you're hammering the nail into; isn't that measured in energy transfer?

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by GlennS on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @02:12AM (#25655344)
I guess this is tricky because you want all that energy to go into deforming the wood and not the nail. The physics is beyond me here.

Intuitively, I feel like weighty hits tend to drive the nail into the wood, whereas fast hits just bash the nail about. That might be more about accuracy though?

(Also my anecdote confirmed by someone with practical experience, see other comment.)

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by thaumasiotes on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:21AM (#25659087)
> Intuitively, I feel like weighty hits tend to drive the nail into the wood, whereas fast hits just bash the nail about. That might be more about accuracy though?

Yes, if you're using your arm, there's a tradeoff between speed and accuracy. If you're using a nail gun, not so much.

I was just saying that it looks to me like measuring what happens in energy seems correct, and measuring in momentum looks like a conceptual mistake.

Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by shanecoughlan on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @12:36AM (#25654935)
Note from someone who does a lot of woodwork: yup, that’s right.
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by renewiltord on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @07:28PM (#25653297)
But you want slow accurate strokes with most hammers. Very hard to get precision with speed.
Re:The Cole-Bar Hammer, a 7-year old Kickstarter that is sti... by danaliv on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @02:39AM (#25655465)
Light hammers are good for riveting. You need something that won’t overpower whatever you’re using to buck the rivet. (In my case, a three-pound sledgehammer head.)