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Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by throwaway189262 on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @12:40PM (#25648252)
SARS has leaked from Chinese labs multiple times. And the only lab in the world specializing in coronaviruses was ~1000 ft away from the first cases. The leaked US diplomatic cables urge the US to help China with this very lab because biosecurity there was so concerning to visiting scientists. It's also the only BSL4 lab in China. In addition the head of that lab has published numerous papers about generic engineering of coronaviruses. That lab also discovered the closest ancestor of COVID.

COVID is also interestingly contagious among minks and ferrets, common lab animals used for serial passage. It's also undergone remarkably little generic drift since the pandemic began. Since the moment it was released it was already human adapted. Extremely suspicious for a brand new virus.

For SARS, MERS, etc we were able to find a 99.9% identical virus in nature. The closest one we have to COVID is 96%, quite distant genetically.

The last time we couldn't find the virus in nature was the 1976 flu pandemic. 20 years later scientists began admitting that it was triggered by a lab leak. When genetic engineering became advanced enough it was obvious that the strain was identical to a pandemic flu strain from the 50's.

In reality, the scientist new from the beginning that the 1976 pandemic was a lab leak but the information was thoroughly suppressed so that the soviet union would cooperate with monitoring. This is exactly what happened with China early in the pandemic. Nobody wanted to criticize people being welded into their homes because China was providing data on the virus. I am completely convinced that this is why the lab leak hypothesis for COVID is being "debunked"

To me there is overwhelming evidence that COVID is a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. IMO the only reason everybody is denying it is the severe political repercussions for China essentially killing more people than WWII. US researchers are co-authors on many of the institutes papers on coronavirus genetic manipulation. The US was funding some of their research, presumably because gain of function research is banned in the states.

Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by nradov on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @01:14PM (#25648753)
Are you referring to the 1976 or 1977 influenza? There is evidence of a lab leak or other human origin for the 1977 strain but the original source was never definitively identified.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4542197/

https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/4/e01013-15.full

Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by throwaway189262 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:34AM (#25656431)
Sorry 1977 you are correct
Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by eganist on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @01:22PM (#25648877)
> SARS has leaked from Chinese labs multiple times. And the only lab in the world specializing in coronaviruses was ~1000 ft away from the first cases. The leaked US diplomatic cables urge the US to help China with this very lab because biosecurity there was so concerning to visiting scientists. It's also the only BSL4 lab in China. In addition the head of that lab has published numerous papers about generic engineering of coronaviruses. That lab also discovered the closest ancestor of COVID.

Can you kindly cite literally every sentence of this? I googled, but my Google-fu is weak.

Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by throwaway189262 on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @02:06PM (#25649535)
The virologist "bat lady" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli

SARS leaks https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-bei...

Leaked cables https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-depar...

US coronavirus research collaboration https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02473-4

Wuhan Institute of Virology employees are cited in a huge number of Coronavirus research papers. Some research may be done elsewhere but AFAIK it's the only lab in the world doing lots of work with SARS and relatives. The "batwoman" researcher who works at WIV is somewhat famous for gathering thousands of bat viruses from caves across China.

In addition RATg13, the closest related virus to COVID, wasn't published by the lab until after the pandemic outbreak. Even though the sample was supposedly collected years ago. If they're sitting on random unpublished coronavirus genomes doesn't it seem likely that COVID was one of these?

Theres too many coincidences for me. I would bet money that it's a lab leak

Re:The Lab Leak Hypothesis by baja_blast on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @05:34PM (#25652168)
Use DuckDuckGo if you ever want to search for something controversial since they don't filter their results like Google.