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Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by dragonwriter on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:28PM (#25619113)
> "Oh he was on foreign soil so we couldn't get to him" doesn't hold a lot of water when children in the region are known for having clear skies as a PTSD trigger from the number of drone strikes we've done in the area.

That only would seem to follow if the argument was that we couldn't get him by a drone strike, which obviously is not the argument, as drone strikes don't really do a good job of hauling people before a court.

Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by monocasa on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:36PM (#25619159)
If we can indiscriminately bomb 10s of thousands of civilians in the area, we can drop down a helicopter to pick him up.
Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by dragonwriter on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:39PM (#25619172)
No, the whole reasons for a drone war is that drones work very well in conditions where you can't safely land people on the ground to do things, or even operate manned aircraft without unreasonable risk of losses.
Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by monocasa on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:50PM (#25619228)
If the question is safety: we have complete air superiority over Yemen.

If the question is politics: we're nearing 100k Yemeni civilians dead, they won't say no, and won't have the choice anyway.

Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by dragonwriter on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:53PM (#25619246)
> If the question is safety: we have complete air superiority over Yemen.

Air superiority, or even air supremacy, doesn't make putting feet on the ground safe.

Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by monocasa on Saturday January 02, 2021 @11:00PM (#25619293)
It's never going to be perfectly safe, but that's literally the point of being a soldier.

If you don't want that tradeoff, then don't say an oath that requires you to put your life on the line defending the constitution.

Re:DOJ Argues: US can kill own citizens without review when ... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 03, 2021 @01:32AM (#25619996)
> It's never going to be perfectly safe, but that's literally the point of being a soldier.

No, taking unnecessary risks to do things that aren't legally required for enemies in war is kind of the opposite of the point of being a soldier.

> If you don't want that tradeoff, then don't say an oath that requires you to put your life on the line defending the constitution

The Constitution doesn't require the government to take any special restraint in war when someone fighting on the other side is a US citizen.

There may be a good argument that the law ought to given the realities of modern war, sure. And that's a debate we should have.