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Re:Human Brain Project: $1.61 billion to achieve human brain... by gojomo on Wednesday May 18, 2011 @04:22PM (#2561629)
If we simulate a physical brain, and then it talks to us and says, "Consciousness? Yes, I understand what you mean, I feel that too," is there a distinction to be clear about?
Re:Human Brain Project: $1.61 billion to achieve human brain... by Locke1689 on Wednesday May 18, 2011 @07:35PM (#2562313)
If you simulate a physical brain, but give it no input, what is the output? Consciousness? Look, fundamentally we've had "human brain hardware" for years now. A Turing machine is a Turing machine is a Turing machine. If you know the mathematical formula for emergent consciousness, there are a bunch of people who would be excited to talk to you.
Re:Human Brain Project: $1.61 billion to achieve human brain... by gojomo on Thursday May 19, 2011 @01:41AM (#2563005)
Why assume it gets no input? (Why build it if not to interact with it?)

A grown, working brain has been shaped by its input – changing the connections, the chemical balances, and other things we don't yet understand (but someday will). So when talking about a 'simulated brain', I think an embedded history of meaningful input, and continued interaction, is implied.

(Also, creating such a brain and then depriving it input might be torture, as with extended sensory deprivation in natural humans.)

Re:Human Brain Project: $1.61 billion to achieve human brain... by Locke1689 on Thursday May 19, 2011 @02:50AM (#2563113)
You seem to be unduly assuming emergent behavior. First, we do not know how to completely mirror a human neural network. Second, even if we did we don't know how the initial input affects emergent intelligence.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying that you're taking a rather unscientific leap of faith.

Re:Human Brain Project: $1.61 billion to achieve human brain... by gojomo on Thursday May 19, 2011 @09:01AM (#2563762)
I'm not assuming anything about what's possible.

I take issue with your assumption that there is some 'clear' distinction between the goal of '"building a simulation of the physical brain hardware" and the 'goal to simulate human consciousness". A distinction, if any, between those goals is anything but clear.

Further, the people most interested in 'physical simulation' also tend to be 'materialists' who think a suitably precise simulation can reproduce everything interesting about a human mind, including 'consciousness'. Without any personal 'leap of faith' as to whether that's true or false, this is an interesting and deeply murky question.