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Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by thatguy0900 on Friday January 01, 2021 @11:03AM (#25604160)
It seems kind of disengenuous to blame this on trump and right wing outlets. They definetely pushed distrust of the media along, but how long could the media really expect to keep getting away with things like Iraq wmds? It seems like things were going to reach this point sooner or later anyway when mainstream media started agreeing to become propaganda machines
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by dudeithinkBLM on Friday January 01, 2021 @12:34PM (#25604898)
Disengenous is correct and the media blows their credibility yet again every time they attempt to politicize this.

I read this and thought: oh, another article where the author attempts to say people that don't wholeheartedly trust the mainstream media and their fact checkers are overly emotional conspiracy theorists. This has continued to backfire spectacularly and push their audience away from them and will continue to do so. People aren't stupid.

The only thing missing (thanks to Big Tech censorship) is a strong independent media using actual journalism to deliver information instead of clearly biased reporting.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by fumar on Friday January 01, 2021 @11:13AM (#25604252)
Have you read Manufacturing Consent? I recommend reading it for insight into media and propaganda.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Friday January 01, 2021 @03:57PM (#25607017)
> It seems kind of disengenuous to blame this on trump

Why? Trump's posts to Twitter are mostly lies. Have a look:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

He's still lying about the results of the election. He claims repeatedly that it was a "rigged election", that the election was "the biggest SCAM in our nation’s history", and that really he "won big" "in a landslide". All of these claims are false.

Trump has demonstrated that he simply doesn't care what's true. It's banana republic stuff.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by thatguy0900 on Friday January 01, 2021 @05:19PM (#25607805)
People have been pointing out the media lying before trump got in office. He definitely pushed that in a big way to the mainstream, and is lying about a lot of things himself, but the media couldnt have gotten away with creating narratives scot free forever.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Friday January 01, 2021 @05:42PM (#25608025)
There was election fraud though. https://hereistheevidence.com/
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Friday January 01, 2021 @06:23PM (#25608409)
Uh huh. And how many court cases about this supposedly fraudulent election have succeeded? You know, legal proceedings in which you must meet an actual standard of evidence.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Friday January 01, 2021 @07:03PM (#25608706)
When I read this, I had to do a double-check and make sure I wasn't on reddit
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Friday January 01, 2021 @07:04PM (#25608713)
So zero court cases then.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by pmiller2 on Friday January 01, 2021 @08:38PM (#25609357)
Well, there was that one Republican guy who attempted to vote on behalf of his dead mother. That's voter fraud though, not election fraud.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Friday January 01, 2021 @09:34PM (#25609758)
You guys are so deluded. But I understand, it makes life easy.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Monday January 04, 2021 @06:33AM (#25630027)
Here's a recording of Trump attempting to commit election fraud. But the good news is his attempt failed:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/04/politics/donald-trump-geo...

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:08AM (#25697359)
And here's a quote from a recording that Biden did:

“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Biden said in a clip posted to Instagram Oct. 24.

His words, not mine!

BTW, you can "fact check" that all you want but whichever way you dice it, he's senile and will likely be quickly replaced by Harris.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:55AM (#25712973)
And what's that got to do with Trump constantly lying and falsely claiming that the election was somehow "rigged"?

In the time since this article on disinformation was written Trump has incited a mob to invade the Capitol Building, again based on his false claims that the election was "stolen".

He's not making America great, he's making it worse. He's trying as hard as he can to turn America into a banana republic.

It's not that it's a deliberate goal. It's worse than that. He simply doesn't care.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:47PM (#25720324)
> And what's that got to do with Trump constantly lying and falsely claiming that the election was somehow "rigged"?

There's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise, so I am going to skip over this.

> He's not making America great, he's making it worse. He's trying as hard as he can to turn America into a banana republic.

I thought "America was never great." Whoops!

> In the time since this article on disinformation was written Trump has incited a mob to invade the Capitol Building, again based on his false claims that the election was "stolen".

Trump didn't incite them, they were already incited. You are being willfully ignorant if you think otherwise.

To me, this looks like a lot of people who are angry at the congress critters over the lockdowns, the hypocrisy of those who impose them not following their own rules, burning cities for months, and overall disenfranchisement.

Do you think these people would go to the capitol building for something like that if they felt like the system was working for them? I don't. The system no longer works, people feel disenfranchised on both sides, the regime went too far and became too oppressive. The public struck back.

If you have a conscious, the only people you would blame for the events of 2020 are the politicians at the federal, state and local levels, and not their disenfranchised constituents.

I keep saying this over and over again and for some reason people on here don't get it. Quit blaming powerless citizens!

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:26PM (#25720784)
> There's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise, so I am going to skip over this.

Yes, you have no answer for it. It's too stark to be explained away. Trump lies constantly. He always has, he always will.

> Trump didn't incite them

They disagree with you. To quote them, "Our president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president":

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-rioters.html

> Do you think these people would go to the capitol building for something like that if they felt like the system was working for them?

So you're saying that it would have been better if Trump had been a competent president and had actually helped people instead of stroking his own ego. Instead, he is now unambiguously the worst president in America's history.

> Quit blaming powerless citizens!

I blame Trump.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:34PM (#25722391)
> Yes, you have no answer for it.

You're going to post stuff from CNN, and I really don't want to argue with their slanted fact checkers via you. You also won't understand anything you don't want to. There's no point. It hasn't mattered to your side that there is video evidence and testimony from postal workers.

Reality is, six states stopped counting votes on election night all at the same time. Very fishy.

At least admit you got what you wanted, and because of that, you're fine with the fraud.

> They disagree with you. To quote them, "Our president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president":

Again they wouldn't have come if things were going well in the country. Also, I don't care about your links. I'm not a redditor.

> So you're saying that it would have been better if Trump had been a competent president and had actually helped people instead of stroking his own ego. Instead, he is now unambiguously the worst president in America's history. > I blame Trump.

If trump is the only person you blame for all of this, you are going to be sorely disappointed with what comes next. Congress is the one who sat on the second covid relief bill.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by clouddrover on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:44PM (#25722516)
> you're fine with the fraud

There was no fraud. People like Trump depend on people like you being unwilling to accept the practical reality.

The title of the article linked to in this Hacker News thread is "Facts won't fix this". And it's true. You are the proof of it.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by ecf on Friday January 01, 2021 @12:19PM (#25604767)
One thing I hope is obliterated into history after this presidency is the notion that “both parties are the same”.

I’m seriously getting a laugh out of these conservatives who are struggling to make ends meet but have voted Mitch McConnell into office for 35 years. The same guy who just laughed in their face regarding $2k relief checks for them.

I remember reading a comment by someone that went something along the lines “I’ve voted for Mitch my entire life mostly because he opposes the democrat agenda” and I can’t help but get a little bit of joy when they get what they deserve.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by pmiller2 on Friday January 01, 2021 @12:30PM (#25604860)
Both parties are beholden to the wishes of corporations over natural persons. About 5% of the Democrats holding national office don’t fall into this category, but they’re so few in number they can be ignored when making a statement about the party as a whole.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by ecf on Friday January 01, 2021 @12:43PM (#25604964)
Both parties don’t have politicians who are actively tweeting about their rights being infringed upon because they are being asked to simply wear a mask.
Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by rangoon626 on Friday January 01, 2021 @05:40PM (#25608012)
Then you don’t see it. Middle East terrorism has been replaced as “the thing” and medical terrorism is what has replaced it. Global warming was too unconvincing, so it seems like TPTB picked this instead.

It’s not about the masks, it’s about being stuck with this for two decades as they try to frighten and terrorize everyone with medical diseases, which allows the government to do whatever they want unopposed. Non-compliance with the masks is usually people protesting this more than they are trying to be inconsiderate to other people. Also, if you think a crappy cloth mask is going to protect anyone else, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. (For the record, I would have a different opinion if our government had mobilized producing actual medical grade masks and mandated that.)

This crisis may be even scarier than the Middle East terrorism thing though, because it encourages self righteous dingbats to rat on their neighbors and use the state against their neighbors. It’s all in our own backyard now. And people are doing exactly what the party wants, and it looks to me like like how the neighbors and kids behaved in 1984.

And there’s endless obscure diseases they can highlight that everyone mostly just glossed over before. COVID-19 headlines starts to run flat? Just highlight a new strain of it to whip the fervor up again... oh wait.

You’ll surely call me a conspiracy theorist, even though I’m simply applying that I learned from the Middle East terrorism situation on to this one, but I don’t care. I have already seen this for what it is, a real disease but being hijacked as a tool to manipulate and control people, and have moved on. Don’t be fooled, there’s to be no “back to normal.” Ever. The mask non-comply-ers are simply having a hard time of letting go of the life they knew.

You have to be either incredibly base or willfully ignorant to not understand and have empathy with your fellow citizens.

Re:Facts won't fix this: experts on how to fight America's d... by pmiller2 on Friday January 01, 2021 @04:38PM (#25607450)
That’s true. But, it doesn’t make things any better knowing we have the choice between a bad party and a worse party. First past the post, the Electoral College, winner take all style contests, and campaign finance law all work together to keep them both in power.

Believe me, I’d love to get rid of the ultra right wing party and the slightly less right wing party.