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Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by wpietri on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:14PM (#25598938)
Exactly. It frustrates me that the term "investment" has been stretched to include raw speculation. People are welcome to do either one, but it's dangerous when people confuse zero-sum and positive-sum games. Buying any currency, crypto- or otherwise, is like playing the ponies: for every dollar won, there's (at least) a dollar lost. That's very different than investing in a company, which hopefully uses the money to create value.
Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by nfin on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:30PM (#25599094)
that‘s not true.

Would be true if bitcoin was full premined, but it wasn‘t.

There are still 900 new bitcoins mined per day, and with an open source / patent free environment the space is a competitive market, the cost to produce one should tend towards the price of selling it (less so when the price rises quickly).

So how is at least a dollar lost (for every dollar won)?

Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by wpietri on Friday January 01, 2021 @04:18AM (#25601933)
The new coins aren't handed out generally. They are rewards to the "miners". They're relevant only for people going into the mining business. I'm talking about price speculation.

For people speculating, there's always a buyer and a seller. If I buy $100 of Bitcoin from person A and then later sell that for $101 to person B, then I have gained a dollar. A dollar that A would have gotten had they held on, or B would have gotten had they bought in earlier. It's a zero sum game. Except that everybody involved is paying transaction fees, putting in otherwise-valuable time, and taking risk (e.g., of theft), so in reality it's a negative sum game.

That's very different than actual investing. If I put $100 into a friend's company, then they will hopefully use that money to create something more valuable than the total investment. I'll come out ahead, but so will my friend and my friend's customers. That's a positive-sum game.

Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by nootropicat on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:56PM (#25599396)
If your point was that bitcoin is worse than zero-sum because it generates net losses, then you're right.