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Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by MattGaiser on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:30PM (#25594774)
At least in Canada, discrimination is considered the denial of something, but anything that improves someone's condition on the basis of race is fine.

[Race] may not own houses. -- Illegal. [Race] is given extra help to own houses. -- Legal

Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by g3e0 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:39PM (#25594863)
Given that there is only a finite amount of money/resources available to help people, giving extra to someone based on their race is equivalent to depriving another of help based on their race.
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by morlockabove on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:38PM (#25594859)
Hiring/acceptance is zero-sum. Privileging one group is taking spots away from another.
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by floxy on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:49PM (#25595716)
Is there something you can point me to, in order to learn more about Canada's approach? So you're saying that a program specifically to give cash to white men only as "extra help to own houses" would be perfectly fine?
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by MattGaiser on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:43PM (#25597489)
Affirmative action programs have a specific constitutional carve out up here:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html#:~:te....

Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by mvuijlst on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:34PM (#25594810)
Isn't "[Race] is given extra help to own houses" the same as "[not-Race] is given no extra help to own houses"?
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by lumost on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:44PM (#25594924)
On average [Not-Race] has more wealth to afford houses, or home ownership is more common than [Race] in these programs.

You do see anger when individuals perceive they can't afford homes, school, or other big ticket items and perceive that they aren't given help - but that isn't quite the same as denying people something.

Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by pbhjpbhj on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:00PM (#25595147)
>On average [Not-Race] has more wealth to afford houses //

Which is fine if you're part of that the well-off, but if you're just a person and not benefitted by the categroy association with rich people who happen to be the same race -- a simplistic association that discriminatory, racist people make -- then you're shit out of luck.

Discriminating against people is denying them something, it's denying them a fair shot, fair treatment by the government. Regardless of their sex or skin colour they deserve fair opportunity.

Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday December 31, 2020 @02:17PM (#25596063)
> perceive that they aren't given help - but that isn't quite the same as denying people something.

How is that not denying them help?

> On average [Not-Race] has more wealth to afford houses, or home ownership is more common than [Race] in these programs.

So why not just have your aid program be based on wealth, rather than race?

Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by gnusty_gnurc on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:34PM (#25594809)
Odd, I suspect the same people would offer the idea that wealth disparity is bad.
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by gotoeleven on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:34PM (#25594812)
I don't understand how this logic can hold up when resources are finite.
Re:Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio] by DangitBobby on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:48PM (#25594980)
It doesn't, they were just looking for a way to justify discrimination that they saw as positive and no one was there to defend against it.