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Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by tinus_hn on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:26PM (#25594725)
Every year from all people in the US aged between 75 and 85 about 5% dies. 85 and up it’s about 13%. A lot of things are deadly to old people, a tenth of that is a minor part and it is certainly debatable whether asking these people to live in isolation for a year is worth that 10% less chance of dying.

Compare also the 480000 US deaths yearly from tobacco, which could be prevented much easier than corona.

But anyway, it is impossible to debate weighing these statistics and measures in a civil manner so I’ll excuse myself and you can just echo around with your fellow lockdown fans.

Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by bignell on Thursday December 31, 2020 @03:43PM (#25596898)
Debating statistics and measures is hard because of the sheer quantity of slightly varied information. And even if numbers were universally agreed upon and understood, and it were as simple as 10% greater risk, we can’t make decisions by a show of hands. If 60% of people were willing to take the risk, are the rest supposed to suck it up?

> Compare also the 480000 US deaths yearly from tobacco, which could be prevented much easier than corona.

Tobacco is an epidemic too, but given that it spreads via psychological and sociological factors rather than virally, I’d make the argument that it’s actually much harder to combat.

Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by michaniskin on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:42PM (#25598013)
Yes, you’re right about the show of hands. This is why the preservation of individual liberty is such a fundamental part of living in a just society.

If people want to isolate or be locked down they are free to do so, but one person’s fear is not a just claim on another person’s life or property. Locking other people in their homes because you’re afraid is immoral.

Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by rualca on Thursday December 31, 2020 @03:38PM (#25596856)
> Every year from all people in the US aged between 75 and 85 about 5% dies.

Keep in mind that right now covid-19 is the leading cause of death in the US.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201217/covid-19-ranks-as-a...

Unlike cancer and heart disease, covid19 can be prevented or even erradicated with small behavioral changes.

Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by throwaway201103 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:00PM (#25597068)
I think the evidence is that it cannot.

COVID has been spiking here since November and everyone is wearing masks. I'm not sure what more could be done. Complete lockdown is, like any extreme measure, not practically possible. People need to eat, essential things need to get done.

Re:Despairing America: The Astonishing Psychological Cost of... by rualca on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:51PM (#25597585)
> I think the evidence is that it cannot.

Only if you if you intentionally ignore reality. Spain decimated it's spread rate during the first lockdown, running down their 800 daily deaths down to zero in amout a month of lockdown.

Every single time a restrictive lockdown was imposed for over 3 weeks, spread and death rates dropped to a fraction of their initial rate.

> I'm not sure what more could be done.

The US is renowned for doing barely anything.

Politically the US even rejects the use of facial masks. That's telling.