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Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by SteveGerencser on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @08:48PM (#25588659)
And I wish that Linux fans would stop saying use Linux as if that is an answer for the vast majority of PC users in the world. It stinks of elitism on so many levels. And yes, I use Linux, but I would never consider putting it on a machine for my mom, or my sister, and nearly anyone else. Linux simply is not a viable solution for so many people.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by scbrg on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:16AM (#25591965)
Nothing is perfect. Everything is a tradeoff. If you want to avoid corporations controlling your computing environment, Linux is perhaps the easiest way to do that. The alternative is to continue letting corporations control your computing environment and... whine about it, I suppose.

Do you think it's better to offer no suggestion at all? To not even tell people about their options?

Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by EvanAnderson on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:23PM (#25594690)
We could also have an option for consumer protections to prevent corporations from exercising some types of control.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by tluyben2 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @11:05PM (#25589468)
> for my mom, or my sister, and nearly anyone else.

Especially my mom, dad, sister and almost everyone else I know use one application on their computer and that is Chrome. My father still works and so does my sister and yet they do not work with or need anything else. Linux works fine for that. Almost everyone I know would not know the difference between an Ubuntu laptop or a windows one as long as the Chrome button ('the internet') is there.

Ofcourse this differs if people need native applications (maybe) but I would say that most people would not notice Linux at all. Not because Linux is great (I use it exclusively but I do not care about ux/ui), but because most people do not do so much 'natively' with a computer anymore and hence can switch fluently from Mac to win to lin to ios to Android (and frequently do during the day between some combinations of these) as long as they can find 'the internet' button.

Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by Osiris on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:00AM (#25589745)
Sounds like a Chromebook.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:42AM (#25589942)
Indeed. Arguing that Linux makes a good web appliance does not endear it to anyone who needs more than a web appliance.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by ogre_codes on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:05PM (#25588765)
> as if that is an answer for the vast majority of PC users in the world.

The vast majority of PC users don't give a fuck if they "Own Their Hardware" or any other philosophical questions about their computer. They buy a tool and use it. Generally speaking, those tools work just fine for them until ultimately the drive fails or they drop it into a creek while hiking.

It's the nerds on HN who bitch about "Owning their computer". Literally the people who should have the skills and knowledge to fix the very problem they are complaining about. If you tried to talk to your mom or your sister about how they don't own their computers they would likely look at you as if you were insane.

FWIW, I'm only intermittently a Linux user, mostly I use MacOS.

Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by im3w1l on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:05AM (#25590951)
They don't complain about "not owning their computer" but they complain about downstream problems.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by mixmastamyk on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:31AM (#25591096)
1999 wants their argument back. My daughter uses Ubuntu Mate and is quite happy with it. None of the bullshit of Windows ten.
Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:42AM (#25589940)
I work in IT, write software, and have a significant number of hobbies centered around computing and I don't even think Linux is a viable choice for me [0]. But there's a lot of Linux evangelists out there who simply refuse to believe there is anything wrong with it for anybody.

[0] and belive me, I've tried [1][2].

[1] Some evangelist is typing a response right now about how I haven't really tried. They are part of the problem.

[2] I've put together my own distro, written and contributed to open source projects, until sometime earlier this year ran Linux on 4/5 computers I used regularly at home (now down to 1/5), and was even president of a LUG for a while. So shut up about how your grandma uses it as a web kiosk so it must be fine for everyone.

Re:Flash Player is about to stop working on Windows 10 by ogre_codes on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:54AM (#25590265)
Except I'm not remotely a Linux evangelist. I use a Mac. I didn't suggest Linux desktop is for the masses.