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Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @08:50AM (#25581628)
The power of liberal democracies is not that bad things never happen in them. The power is that despite all of that, people can still vote and make change. That's why we have amendments and legislature - we see wrong, we try to change it.

> If things like the collateral murder videos, or the treatment of Manning and Snowden are the work of said "liberal democracies", then I'm fully in the camp that wants to decline them, and replace them with better, more transparent, more accountable structures.

But that's not what will happen. Instead, populists will rise to power under the ruse of libertarianism, or going back to "the old ways." Eventually the nation will continue to divide itself until it collapses under internal infighting. Almost as if by design...

Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by tremon on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:49AM (#25582117)
we see wrong, we try to change it.

Exactly! But that's predicated on "we see wrong". What Snowden and Wikileaks (and the various paradise leaks) showed, is that there's a lot of wrongs we don't see.

Maybe I didn't specify this explicitly in my earlier post, but my core position is this: attacks on Wikileaks are attacks on the ability for the voting population to see the wrongs, and as such are attacks on democracy itself. It's ironic for the CIA to claim that Wikileaks "works towards the decline of liberal democracy", when the CIA itself is working to suppress democratic checks and balances.

Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by the_only_law on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @01:57PM (#25584737)
> It's ironic for the CIA to claim that Wikileaks "works towards the decline of liberal democracy", when the CIA itself is working to suppress democratic checks and balances.

the CIA in the past has installed brutal dictatorships and actively tortured the most vulnerable of our own citizens. I think it's fair to say protecting liberal democracy is hardly a priority of theirs.

Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @01:53PM (#25584690)
So essentially - any attack on wikileaks or journalism/the press in general is an attack on democracy?
Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by Magufn on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @08:22PM (#25588461)
Absolutely.
Re:CIA vs. Wikileaks [video] by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @10:30PM (#25589285)
The current sitting president labeled the press the enemy of the people and has continually attacked it. How shall we deal with this enemy of democracy?