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Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by Exmoor on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @09:58PM (#25577938)
> Presumably if a viral infection could trigger an autoimmune response in certain genetically predisposed groups, then so could a vaccine designed to mimic a virus.

This is true. Some of the extremely rare auto-immune issues that have impacted people who have been vaccinated for specific flu viruses in, IIRC, 1976 and 2009, were thought to occur at even higher rates and severity with people who contracted the virus. So, vaccination might impact you, but likely worse the the virus itself due to the greater amount of virus in your system.

I am not a scientist, but I would expect that the mRNA vaccines would have less of a chance of having an auto-immune reaction since they contain only one of the many proteins contained in the actual virus.

Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by programmarchy on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @10:23PM (#25578086)
Yeah, I’m actually very hopeful that mRNA medicine will be able to overcome issues like these in ways traditional vaccines couldn’t. For example, variations could be developed that are more effective for each racial group, rather than a one-size-fits all approach that may be biased. From there, perhaps even individuals who have autoimmune disease markers could have variants developed for them as well.
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Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by jcims on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @07:40AM (#25581162)
There are definitely phenotypical variations in humans that have health implications. To the extent that some of these are adaptive to region they may align with the rather poorly defined buckets we call ‘race’.

To GP’s point, lack of diversity in clinical trials can result in medicines that vary in efficacy and safety in the broader population. The ability to customize a therapy to an individual would help reduce the impact of this issue.

Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by panta on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @07:41AM (#25581166)
AFAIK there are no human races from a taxonomic point of view, all human beings belong to the same subspecies. There are of course genetic differences between individuals and ethnic groups though, otherwise we would be all identical twins (the point is not condemning the differences - differences are in general a good thing - the point is not attaching value judgements to the differences).
Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by rory on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @11:26AM (#25583009)
Subspecies definitions can be rather arbitrary in general, and don't fit well to a species with the technology of humans.

1000 years ago you probably could have said that indigenous subsaharan Africans and Americans are different subspecies of homo sapiens simply because one group has darker brown skin and lives in Africa, and one has lighter brown skin and lives in the Americas (phenotype difference + range difference is all it takes). But today the "native range" of every ethnic group is essentially global due to airplanes and immigration, so you'd probably say we're all one subspecies. But either way, the label "subspecies" conveys far less information than people sometimes assign it.

Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by lebuffon on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:29AM (#25581957)
Since 23andMe can figure out your geographic origin from your DNA there must be differences. Studying the nature of these differences might make some people uncomfortable but just as with subtle male/female differences, these studies could lead to amazing improvements in medical treatment.
Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:43AM (#25582071)
There are genetic differences between all humans.
Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by mschuster91 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @07:39AM (#25581150)
Yes, certain medications have different dosages depending on ethnic groups: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

There exist even special medicine to account for genetic differences in Black people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosorbide_dinitrate/hydralazi...

Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by jcims on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:19PM (#25578480)
>I am not a scientist, but I would expect that the mRNA vaccines would have less of a chance of having an auto-immune reaction since they contain only one of the many proteins contained in the actual virus.

This is the angle that, for me, is suppressing my innate concern for a widescale and rapid application of a brand new immunological therapy. It's extremely targeted and feels like the future. I can imagine a day where the FDA approves the process rather than the instance of mRNA-based therapies, allowing for highly personalized treatment.

Re:Messengers of hope: two mRNA Covid-19 vaccines herald a n... by prox on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @05:02AM (#25580297)
I believe this is one of the reason a Harvard Professor was pushing for a 3 month extended phase 3/4 trial.

This was recently noted in a AMA by virus experts on reddit.