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Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by mhh__ on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:25PM (#25573711)
Weather the storm for the next few years and then keep going?

Consider that Zen took about 5 years to do, when AMD were in a much weaker position than Intel are now. Intel's process problems are harder to deal with but they're not insurmountable as long as they get ahead for the next generation (Which they definitely have the cash to do).

Intel aren't anywhere near as doomed as commenters would have you believe on here or Reddit. Ultimately this is down to whether their leadership keep their heads up or are cynical.

Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by testfoobar on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:33PM (#25573791)
Apple M1 isn't just a shot across Intel's bow. It is giant crater in the middle of their product portfolio. AWS, Azure and Google Compute are absolutely going to pursue their own equivalents.

Microsoft x86s deep enterprise legacy is going to take time to be replaced. But product replacement cycles are pretty short. Microsoft could easily move a lot of their customers to ARM if they wanted to.

If I were Andy Grove, I would have bought a controlling interest in Microsoft years ago. But that is water under the bridge.

Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by discodave on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:57PM (#25574067)
AWS is already on generation 2 of their equivalent: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/
Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by klelatti on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:05PM (#25575615)
"Weather the storm" implies that there is some short / medium term disruption and if they just work a bit harder then they will recover (most of their) their previous competitive position. Trouble is AMD and TSMC aren't going away or stop competing and at the moment there is no evidence that Intel are going to 'fix' their process issues.

Plus,as you know, they have a serious strategic challenge to their business in the rise of firms like Apple and AWS developing their own Arm SoCs.

Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by mhh__ on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:15PM (#25575724)
Intel will probably never have a run like they did last this last decade, but they can still carve a huge chunk of what will always be a huge market.

Also, one thing worth saying is that if ARM really takes a proper share of the market it will obviously make x86 less popular - this works in both ways because it also clears the way for Intel to try other things of their own (This is highly speculative obviously, but it's impossible).

The canary for Arm is if it's in the hands of developers (and not just M1).

Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by klelatti on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:23PM (#25575793)
Completely agree on the first point - x86 will be around for a long time - but I do think they need to get it onto a cutting edge process, and that means TSMC and quickly.
Re:Hedge fund Third Point urges Intel to explore deal options by mhh__ on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @08:09PM (#25577153)
POSSIBLE not impossible, can't edit.