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Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:02PM (#25571880)
I'm not an Apple fan, probably more of an Apple hater, but why is Apple the bad guy for seeking cheaper labor? Why is it the consumers problem that China allows it's citizens to be treated like shit? Why is this ethical responsibility somehow always offloaded to the consumer?
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by natecham on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:15PM (#25572052)
Because as long as it’s legal and the consumer is willing to buy at the rate they have been, Apple/etc. has very little incentive to change
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by throwaway3699 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @04:14PM (#25575105)
Short of going to war (which isn't off the table), what is the long-term alternative?
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by crispyambulance on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:38PM (#25572325)
> Why is this ethical responsibility somehow always offloaded to the consumer?

Because NO ONE else seems to be up to the task.

I think folks here are getting lost in the weeds about precise definitions which don't really matter that much and what they think are laws that can be applied across national boundaries (generally, that's not feasible).

There has been an effort to ban "conflict minerals" from modern supply chains. It's partially successful (in that you effectively get "a sticker" that you can show-off if your supply chain doesn't use children as miners). It would be nice if, AT LEAST, a similar half-measure could be done for "forced labor" (or whatever you want to call what they're doing to the Uighurs).

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by esarbe on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:07PM (#25572754)
> Why is this ethical responsibility somehow always offloaded to the consumer?

Because without consumer, there would be no incentive for either China and Apple to behave amorally.

China is a totalitarian dictatorship. As long as it's citizens don't rebel, they have no incentive to change their behavior. Apple is a publicly traded company. They need good publicity.

So, as a humanist, I say it's up to the consumers to force Apple to stop contributing to human rights abuses.