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Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by WalterBright on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:41AM (#25567365)
I miss living in the dormitory in college. Everything I needed was within a 3 minute walk. The dorm was full of my peers. There was always something fun going on.

You had a room just big enough for a bed, a desk, and a sink. Everything else was common.

If I was a developer I'd build a "dorm for adults" right next to places like Amazon, but at least around here zoning won't permit it.

It's great if you're single and don't have many possessions. Inexpensive, too.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by sbierwagen on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:43AM (#25567653)
Seattle briefly allowed microapartments, before single-family home owners fought back and got them killed again. You can see one here: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/d/seattle-apodment-su... $900/mo for 198 square feet. Kitchen sink, but no stove/oven. You do get your own bathroom, at least.

Feeling a little agoraphobic with the above floor plan? Don't like those vast sweeps of empty space? No problem, try $875/mo for 147 square feet: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/d/seattle-apodment-su...

Carefully examine the bathroom photos. No sink! You wash your hands in the kitchenette. Easy enough, when it's three steps away. (After all, where would you put a bathroom sink? The entire apartment is the size of an RV.)

One upside: if the landlord gets on your nerves, it would be real, real easy to move out. A one-backpack apartment.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by emteycz on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @08:50AM (#25569685)
Oh, that looks like the average apartment used by a couple/single people here in Europe. Same price too.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by guenthert on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:00PM (#25573418)
Wut? I always wonder what people mean when they say 'in Europe', as if there weren't vast cultural and economic differences. Remember e.g. Switzerland and Albania are both in (continental) Europe.

A couple of years ago I inquired about the prize in a room in a hotel in San Francisco I happened to walk up to -- the front desk person cautioned that it offered 'european style' shared bathrooms. plonk -- I never encountered a hotel in Europe with shared bathrooms, but I've never been to Albania either.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by emteycz on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:24PM (#25574420)
I remember the geography of my home continent very well, I travel around here a lot.

The hotels with shared bathrooms are very common even in Switzerland, and everywhere else in Europe.

The small apartments are more common the richer the country. Larger apartments are more common in the poorer countries. You can find the small ones in every capital city though.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by guenthert on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:52PM (#25574829)
> The hotels with shared bathrooms are very common even in Switzerland, and everywhere else in Europe.

Truly curious. Could you provide a link to one?

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by emteycz on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @02:33AM (#25579462)
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by guenthert on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @02:52PM (#25585287)
I sense a confusion of the terms hotel and hostel. That 's' separates worlds.

As a young lad (on a tight budget) I stayed in youth hostels in Europe and USA as well. Those (at that time) not only were equipped with shared bathrooms, but also commonly with bunk beds in dormitories (separated by gender -- yeah, such were the times) and usually expected you to take on chores. I enjoyed my stay as it allowed me to go to places I couldn't otherwise afford and meet like-minded young travelers, but it would be impossible to mistake those places for hotels.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by emteycz on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @04:47PM (#25586551)
Well the line is pretty blurred. But you're right that what used to be called three-star hotels is now primarily a thing of the east, while the west calls them hostels.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by labawi on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @02:34PM (#25585112)
Note that those are called hostels. I don't remember seeing shared bathrooms in hotels.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by emteycz on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @04:47PM (#25586554)
This change of naming happened during the past two decades. You're technically correct, though. Note that you can get a private room in the hostel I linked, that's not universal - and I feel that moves it towards hotel.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by finolex1 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @04:43AM (#25568241)
College dorms house a set of people that have been carefully vetted by an admissions committee. I'm not sure if it's possible to recreate such a community and foster trust among a group of adults without some form of prior vetting or selection.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by pharke on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @06:56PM (#25576613)
You're right, vetting would be necessary. Dorms work because the population is (generally speaking) in the same age cohort and stage of their lives, there for a common purpose, and they have skin in the game i.e. they risk their tuition and completion of their degree if they don't abide by the rules. That's the other thing, students sign on to a code of conduct and are held to account by staff and volunteers. An adult dorm would work but it would need to follow a similar setup.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by theshrike79 on Saturday January 02, 2021 @12:54PM (#25614690)
And most importantly, people move out of dorms eventually.

Even if there is a troublemaker people can't get rid of, they'll graduate sooner or later and will be forced to move out.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by labawi on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @02:40PM (#25585160)
Perhaps cohousing, or coliving?
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by beeBoh on Saturday January 02, 2021 @08:21AM (#25612667)
You're stepping closer to the concept of a company town. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by labawi on Saturday January 02, 2021 @03:02PM (#25615951)
> A company town is a place where practically all stores and housing are owned by the one company that is also the main employer.

I'm not familiar with varying types, but AFAIU (or hope), the organizer / owner is not usually the main employer. It's foremost a community where people live. Some people work there or self-employ, but it's not usually a corporate-dictated, top-down governed establishment, which would be something quite different. At least in the examples I know of.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by pharke on Saturday January 02, 2021 @09:39AM (#25613088)
Not if it's organized as a corporation where all of the residents are voting shareholders. That's generally the model that most cohousing and intentional communities tend towards.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by WalterBright on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:45AM (#25568588)
That's a good observation. It suggests that the adult dorm could work if they all, say, worked at the same company.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by robertlagrant on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @06:49AM (#25568898)
If only you'd suggested that :)
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by mnahkies on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:01AM (#25568354)
A friend of mine actually lived in a place like this in Japan for a while - shoebox room, and then generous communal areas for cooking / living. It sounded like a great idea to me, and when I moved to London I tried to find somewhere similar.

There were a couple of places in this space when I was looking but I didn't go with them for a few reasons: - cost was high - contractual terms were long (6-12mo minimum) - reviews were mixed, but the general vibe was a "tragedy of the commons" type situation - location / transit links didn't appear great

I ended up boarding with an older couple for a while before finding a more traditional share house with other young professionals.

If I'd been able to try it out with a 1/2 month minimum I would've looked past the other issues to give it a chance, it seemed like it could've a great way to accelerate finding your feet in a new country/city

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by Animats on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:09AM (#25567496)
WeWork tried that. It was called WeLive. It flopped.[1]

[1] https://therealdeal.com/2020/06/08/wework-may-abandon-welive...

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by robertlagrant on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @06:50AM (#25568903)
To be fair, it flopped during a pandemic that ate both WeWork's and WeLive's business models.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by Werewolf255 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @07:23AM (#25569065)
To be fair, WeWork was pretty much a pyramid scene, so maybe not the best comparison.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by ValentineC on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @10:07AM (#25570367)
How was WeWork a pyramid scheme for its visitors? I'm not seeing it.
Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by dbetteridge on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:52AM (#25567972)
https://starcity.com/

Seems to be trying it, rebranded as 'co-living' as I imagine dormitories holds a bit of a stigma.

Re:Ask HN: What are you surprised isn’t being worked on more? by carlosdp on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @09:55AM (#25570242)
The "dorm for adults" concept has been tried like 100 times by different startups and companies, always flops.