Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii

Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by throwaway894345 on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:56PM (#25555700)

Didn’t the Ottomans interrupt that continuity rather significantly? For example, we don’t call it “Constantinople” any more and the inhabitants of the region don’t seem to consider themselves descendants of Romans as much as Ottomans (or perhaps Islamic identity more generally), at least as I understand it.

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by rsynnott on Sunday December 27, 2020 @09:57PM (#25556277)

While people in modern Turkey may not consider themselves or their state successors or the Roman Empire, the Ottoman authorities did to some extent. Notably, ‘Kayser-i Rum‘ was part of the Sultan’s title after the conquest of Constantinople.

Of course, the Ottomans weren’t the only ones playing this game; the Holy Roman Empire and to some extent Russia were also examples.

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by joeyo on Sunday December 27, 2020 @10:34PM (#25556451)

  > For example, we don’t call it “Constantinople” any more

Not to detract from the rest of your point, but "Istanbul" actually comes from a Greek nickname meaning "to the city", and didn't even become the official name until 1930.

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by jan_Inkepa on Sunday December 27, 2020 @11:59PM (#25556810)

Curious, about this, I got sucked into a rabbithole of reading about this background of this etymology. Thanks for the nerdsnipe! :)

"THE ETYMOLOGY OF İSTANBUL: MAKING OPTIMAL USE OF THE EVIDENCE"

https://ruj.uj.edu.pl/xmlui/bitstream/handle/item/15924/stac...

(It disputes the details of the traditional 'to the city' etymology, but in the end proposes deriving from something else with very similar meaning, "στην Πόλι" (something maybe like 'sten Poli' but there are details of historical pronunciation in the article I didn't read closely) rather than "εἰς τὴν Πόλιν" [is timˈbolin].)

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by orestarod on Monday December 28, 2020 @12:07PM (#25560870)

Without reading the article, if it is between "στην Πόλι" and "εἰς τὴν Πόλιν", I can tell you, as a Greek, it is exactly the same phrase. Poli/Polin (Πόλη/Πόλιν) are interchangeable, the same word with a different suffix but with both the same purpose, and "στην" is just "εις την" stiched together.

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by coldtea on Monday December 28, 2020 @07:29PM (#25565098)

Similar to the difference between "is not" and "ain't".

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Re:Archaeologists uncover ancient street food shop in Pompeii by coldtea on Monday December 28, 2020 @03:09AM (#25557583)

>Didn’t the Ottomans interrupt that continuity rather significantly?

They did, but after half to a full millenium after the fall of the Roman Empire - so for those there it was a much more "recent" (for ancient peoples sense of historical time) affair.

>For example, we don’t call it “Constantinople” any more and the inhabitants of the region don’t seem to consider themselves descendants of Romans as much as Ottomans

Funnily enough, the Mehmed II (the conquestor of Constantinople) did call himself (among other things) "king of the romans" after that.

And the name Instabul itself comes from Constantinople (also known as "Pole" (The City, it being the big Apple of the area, where Instabul meant "in-sten-Pole" (to-the-City).

But yes, the current inhabitants of modern Turkey region don’t consider themselves descendants of Romans. But you can find some connection to other parts of the mediterranean and the levant.

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