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Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by hedora on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:34PM (#25555543)
With infinite energy, Israel could have infinite water. They already have unlimited light and land. This is an energy intensive technology.

So, the question is whether it uses less electricity to desalinate and flood irrigate, or pay for the electricity to allow ultra high density, water efficient farms, and then desalinate less.

(I’d be shocked if either of these approaches is pareto-optimal.)

Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by iguy on Sunday December 27, 2020 @08:53PM (#25555998)
> question is whether it uses less electricity to desalinate and flood irrigate, or pay for the electricity to allow ultra high density, water efficient farms

Nobody desalinates & floods fields, surely. (That's what you do if you live before the invention of water-pipe, or have a use-it-or-lose-it quota.) The Israelis are I think world leaders in growing stuff outdoors with minimal water, delivered directly to the roots. And indoors, they have greenhouses, just not the same design as in cold climates obviously.

Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by adrianN on Sunday December 27, 2020 @11:48PM (#25556764)
If you deliver just the water the plants need you'll run into soil salinity problems eventually.
Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by iguy on Monday December 28, 2020 @07:25PM (#25565074)
I'm no farmer, but both surface and buried drip irrigation are widely done. So I guess they solved that?
Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by Ekaros on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:42PM (#25555592)
Or maybe more traditional approach of greenhouses? Which should have relatively similar case of handling evaporative losses... And if conversion losses of Sun->EV->lights aren't too horrible, you could even cover these with solar panels... What is even the efficiency of electricity used by vertical farms?
Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by NickNameNick on Sunday December 27, 2020 @08:33PM (#25555890)
I'd expect a greenhouse in the desert to need an enormous amount of ventilation to prevent overheating.

You could probably recover some of the water from the exhaust air with a dehumidifier. I'm not sure if that would use less power than air-conditioning the whole structure, but at that point you're pretty much back to indoors farming anyway.

Re:2-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 72... by kortex on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:07AM (#25566934)
Bubble foam insulation is the way to go in deserts. This is where you pump a soap water foam in between gaps of greenhouse plastic. When you want to block light/heat, fill that wall with foam. Drain to allow radiation.

Water can be recuperated with an enthalpy wheel.