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Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:46PM (#25548109)
I always consider my life is strange. Born in a 3rd world country in a broken home, families fight like in drama, many divorces and remarriage. I went where whoever my current father at that time went, moving from city to city, school to school. Then I find myself in the US, from odd jobs such as dry clean, laundry, sushi, deli, to church admin, to now working as SWE in one of big US tech company in NYC. Married a wife from another country as well. Me and my wife are different culturally, language, faith, and socio-economic background. One day I woke up in a remote village where her grandparents cultivate rice, in a traditional home and where the bathtub is still traditional, hearing the sound of cicadas and see the morning sun, and I thought to myself "how did I end up here?"

It's strange, I left my home country and now wherever I go I see people that speaks different language than me, buildings that I'm not familiar with. My community where I am active with is also different than me. It is a strange feeling. I hate airports because whenever I am in airports I always have a mixed feeling. The feeling of leaving my current place to visit another home in another place.

Now my heart is in three different countries (or cities, to be precise). Every vacation season I have to decide which country to visit and to which family. Life is short. I saw my brother's baby, and then on the next vacation that baby already knew how to walk. My parents and grandparents are getting older. My kids and my brother's kids will speak different languages, grow up differently, and so does my wife's kids with her sisters'. I have a dream of uniting them in one place during vacation and see how those kids react to one another even though they can't communicate in one language, I think that'd be a hilarious sight but very wholesome. I hope there will be faster way to travel invented within our lifetime, maybe Concorde again?

I guess this is the life of immigrants. We are immigrants, this is our way of life. I often asked myself what would happen if I stayed in my home country? I'd marry my current girlfriend at that time, maybe help my family's business, or do something else. I don't know.

For anyone curious: I was born and grew up in Jakarta (Indonesia), and my wife grew up in Tokyo (Japan), and now I work in NYC. Life is surely strange. I feel very insignificant every time I think about this and I realize, there are millions, and billions of people in this planet with stories as unique or more unique than me. The world is is a strange place.

One day, maybe we will retire in Japan, or in Indonesia. Who knows. It's too far in the future. What I do now is cherish every moment I have, knowing the future will be different.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by brabel on Sunday December 27, 2020 @06:23AM (#25550305)
I have a similar life, though without the part of a broken home at childhood (parents fought but not out of ordinary I think). It's really hard not being able to visit family often, at most once a year (if you're lucky and if there's no pandemics stopping you!).

The hardest part for me is that my wife doesn't like my family, so she refuses to visit them... as half the family lives in one country and half in another, and we're in yet another country, it's almost impossible for us to unite the whole family. My parents never met hers... and I only met my brother's youngest child when she was already 5. Last time I went to visit my parents I went alone... and again last time I went to visit my brother (who lives on the other side of the planet from my parents - I live almost in the middle). Sometimes I wish I hadn't started the wave of moving to some other country (which my sister, then my brother followed years later)... as they moved to the country I'd been in, I had already moved again to another country because of my wife. Now I am finally planning to have kids (quite late but still time) I wonder how we're going to manage without any family nearby... and how my parents will feel when we never come to visit... that's if I convince the wife to get a kid, we're running out of time quickly and she doesn't seem at all bothered by it.

I'm in a position I must make a decision: perhaps go back to my country and get a new wife there (even though I would hate to go through a divorce) close to at least some of my family... or just let the time pass by and wait for the inevitable, letting old age arrive and die without a family on a strange country. How can I know what to do?! Leaving this great country where I am will probably be the biggest mistake I will ever make (I have a good job, great house and extreme social security here - none of which I would have in my own country), but staying here will likely lead to a meaningless, though comfortable life. What would you do?

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Sunday December 27, 2020 @06:05PM (#25555033)
I think if I were you I'd try to think about the future. I am lucky that my wife's family really welcome me even though my family background, not only that we are foreigners, but also not quite a good background to have. Due to my family's side financial situation, both families from Indonesia and Japan never met each other physically, only through skype, maybe one or two times and we are in our 3rd year of the marriage. Pretty much I went to get married on my own, in Japan, without any side of my family coming. We just spent a nice dinner.

Maybe your wife isn't ready yet to see your family. My wife, being raised in a clean 1st world country, still is not used to the living condition when we visit Indonesia. It is understandable, so most likely we will retire in Japan instead of Indonesia one day.

As immigrants we already accepted our way of life. We will grow older, and our kids too, without being able to grow together with their contemporaries within the family circle.

I understand what you say about staying here you might end up having a meaningless life. Trust me, I thought about it a lot too. Hence that's why I set some things straight with my wife. Who knows what will happen in the future, but I said we gonna work here for a while, maybe until kids go to college, and we gonna go back to Japan. We decide that we aren't taking any long and expensive mortgage, but if possible, only 10 year mortgage. 10 years is a short time. Once we finish that mortgage, we can do whatever we want, and see where to go next.

Again, it is too far to think of the future, but my current plan gives me and my wife hope and goal to aim to. We'll enjoy the journey while we are here.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by lioeters on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:35AM (#25550601)
Wow, what a question. This is exactly the kind of situation that can branch out to completely different lives.

There's an interesting contrast: the risk-taking choice into the unknown, or the comfortable but boring choice to stay.

If you choose to take the easy path, when you're old you might look back and ask, "Did I make the right choice? What kind of different life would I have had?" Or, if things go well, you might be a satisfied person.

If you choose to go into the unknown, there is a chance that things will not work out better. Maybe you'll have a more difficult life of struggle. Then you might wish that you had stayed in the comfortable but boring life you had.

> good job, great house and extreme social security here - none of which I would have in my own country

That's what you'd be risking for an unknown future..

I imagine people would recommend that you take the risk, take a chance to create a completely different life that's more interesting. But, I also imagine that those same people would choose for themselves the comfortable path. From your story, I think you'll regret it later in life if you don't take the chance.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by ReactiveJelly on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:38PM (#25548604)
> I feel very insignificant every time I think about this and I realize, there are millions, and billions of people in this planet with stories as unique or more unique than me.

And less unique.

From my house, I can drive to my hometown, visit my family, and drive back in one day. I left the USA once, except for that I never spent a continuous week outside of the state where I was born.

A lot of people online say that travel makes you a better person. But it's expensive, so I have to just hope I'm not missing too much.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by xyzelement on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:38PM (#25548886)
>> A lot of people online say that travel makes you a better person.

Probably every experience you have can make you a better person, it doesn't need to be travel.

I used to travel a ton for work and fun (there was a year where I hit 6 continents in a 10-month window) but spending the last 9 months in a one-bedroom apartment with my wife and our newborn is no less mind opening.

In fact, like everything, travel gets old. At some point you know that you "got it" - you can be dropped in a random point on the earth and make something out of it - and yet you may not know how to be at one place for a long time (I am learning that now.)

Also, it makes things less special. In a way I am jealous of people who are dreaming of going to Paris and then experience it for the first time.

You do you - save your money, invest in relationships around you, learn things on line, be a good child and parent. If that's "all" you have to show against someone who has been everywhere but doesn't have what you have, you're ahead.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:33PM (#25548854)
I'd say its not the travel itself, because travel by itself is pretty shallow. I'd say the experience of living with other people who are especially socio-economically or racially different than you, that changes things.
Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by redisman on Sunday December 27, 2020 @01:39PM (#25553189)
That’s the life of an immigrant. You lose the concept of “home”. You can try to build one for the next generation but for you it’s most likely gone forever. It’s very strange because I don’t feel at home in my new country but I’ve also been gone for so long that my old country feels just as alien.
Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Sunday December 27, 2020 @05:51PM (#25554962)
Yeah I guess this is the life we have now. It is really strange. Now I understand why mankind want to achieve immortality. Life is too short, and distance is too far. There's no greater value in life than living in the moment with people you treasure.
Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by richajak on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:00AM (#25550452)
Keep CGK, Insert SIN, replace NRT with TPE, JFK with YYZ, then add CGK again after that. That is my life :-) Nice to meet you, Chris. We are in similar journey. Maybe I will add another destination after this, see how life goes.

Brabel, I moved back to home country and brought my wife. That can also be a solution for you.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Sunday December 27, 2020 @05:49PM (#25554948)
Wow, a fellow traveler on this many road. Greetings!

Ahh, one day I will. Today I still can't afford it. My family's side, parent, grandparent, etc messed up a lot financially and lost everything. I can't afford to go back right now or even move to Japan, my current salary is a reserve for in case anything goes wrong with them.

Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by richajak on Sunday December 27, 2020 @11:18PM (#25556633)
Cool, keep your fingers crossed! :-)
Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by rochak on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:41AM (#25549753)
Thanks for sharing this. Really put things into perspective.
Re:What If You Could Do It All Over? by christiansakai on Sunday December 27, 2020 @05:49PM (#25554950)
You're welcome!