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Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by nabla9 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:12AM (#25543236)
The style in those old films is so relaxing and pedagogically great.

Has anyone else noticed that today's educational content intended for adults increasingly uses a format that was regionally only used for very young children? There is almost always personality emoting and doing accidentally on purpose funny things and laughing, exaggerating everything to keep people engaged.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by dmitryminkovsky on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:39AM (#25543379)
This is the subject of an entire book by Neil Postman called "Amusing Ourselves To Death" (1985), including a chapter called "Teaching as an Amusing Activity".

Some excerpts from the book:

> “Dr. Ruth Westheimer is a psychologist who has a popular radio program and a nightclub act in which she informs her audiences about sex in all of its infinite variety and in language once reserved for the bedroom and street corners. She is almost as entertaining as the Reverend Billy Graham, and has been quoted as saying, “I don’t start out to be funny. But if it comes out that way, I use it. If they call me an entertainer, I say that’s great. When a professor teaches with a sense of humor, people walk away remembering.” She did not say what they remember or of what use their remembering is. But she has a point: It’s great to be an entertainer. Indeed, in America God favors all those who possess both a talent and a format to amuse, whether they be preachers, athletes, entrepreneurs, politicians, teachers or journalists. In America, the least amusing people are its professional entertainers.”

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> “We may surmise that the ninety million Americans who watch television every night also think so. But what I am claiming here is not that television is entertaining but that it has made entertainment itself the natural format for the representation of all experience. ... The problem is not that television presents us with entertaining subject matter but that all subject matter is presented as entertaining...”

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> “Books, it would appear, have now become an audio-visual aid; the principal carrier of the content of education is the television show, and its principal claim for a preeminent place in the curriculum is that it is entertaining.”

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by DaiPlusPlus on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:22AM (#25543621)
> She is almost as entertaining as the Reverend Billy Graham

Can someone explain this to me? Billy Graham is... the last person I’d think of as an amusing figure.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by dmitryminkovsky on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:41AM (#25543743)
I believe part of the attraction of Billy Graham was that many people found him amusing. Postman characterizes him as principally an entertainer.

In the chapter "Shuffle Off to Bethlehem," Postman compares the 20th century televangelist with 17th-19th century spiritual leaders:

> “Television’s strongest point is that it brings personalities into our hearts, not abstractions into our heads. That is why CBS’ programs about the universe were called “Walter Cronkite’s Universe.” One would think that the grandeur of the universe needs no assistance from Walter Cronkite. One would think wrong. CBS knows that Walter Cronkite plays better on television than the Milky Way. And Jimmy Swaggart plays better than God. For God exists only in our minds, whereas Swaggart is there, to be seen, admired, adored. Which is why he is the star of the show. And why Billy Graham is a celebrity, and why Oral Roberts has his own university, and why Robert Schuller has a crystal cathedral all to himself. ”

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> “It would be a serious mistake to think of Billy Graham or any other television revivalist as a latter-day Jonathan Edwards or Charles Finney. Edwards was one of the most brilliant and creative minds ever produced by America. His contribution to aesthetic theory was almost as important as his contribution to theology. His interests were mostly academic; he spent long hours each day in his study. He did not speak to his audiences extemporaneously. He read his sermons, which were tightly knit and closely reasoned expositions of theological doctrine Audiences may have been moved emotionally by Edwards’ language, but they were, first and foremost, required to understand it. Indeed Edwards’ fame was largely a result of a book, Faithful Narrative of the Surprising Work of God in the Conversion of Many Hundred Souls in Northampton, published in 1737. A later book, A Treatise Concerning Religious Affections, published in 1746, is considered to be among the most remarkable psychological studies ever produced in America.”

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by mensetmanusman on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:30AM (#25543676)
Thirty five years ago is a long time culturally.

He was so popular he even got to meet the queen of england when he was in the UK:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXzzzvXMuQ

(This is dramatized in Netflix’s Crown Season 2 Episode 6)

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by ben509 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @12:31PM (#25544861)
Amusing probably isn't the right word, probably captivating is better. Preaching is a very well developed art; listen to preachers and they're always telling a story of some sort, the story goes to lows and then up to highs, they draw that story back to the lives of their audience and then finish with a call to action to make their lives better. Even details like the preacher's cadence and the songs and rituals are well thought out and tested to keep people engaged. It also helps that the bible is essentially a collection of stories that touch on fundamental themes of the human condition and that Jesus is a universally relatable figure.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by drewmate on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:47AM (#25544087)
I agree that this is definitely a trend, so I feel like highlighting a great example of educational content that is very dense, concise, and with just a touch of whimsy: 3Blue1Brown on Youtube[0]. He has been doing math education videos on YouTube for years. I just watched his latest video on the medical test paradox and redesigning the Bayes rule to address it[1].

All his videos are absolutely phenomenal - the best educational content I've seen on YouTube. I cannot recommend them highly enough. In my experience it is more akin to reading a (very engaging) textbook than watching a video. I often find myself pausing to think things through and can _feel_ myself grasping at new ideas and learning while watching.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG4VkPoG3ko

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by Yajirobe on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:13AM (#25544272)
No need to highlight this here. 99% of HN readers know 3b1b
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by chrisseaton on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:35AM (#25544426)
I think people drastically overestimate how popular YouTubers they follow are amongst everyone else.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by pmontra on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:58AM (#25544621)
I'm in the 1% that never heard or noticed 3b1b. This doesn't rule out that I could have watched some of those videos, but I still didn't know him. Wrong age group?
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by sethammons on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:42AM (#25544492)
Your comment only serves to hinder today’s 10 Thousand: https://xkcd.com/1053/

The down votes are likely due to that as the comment does not contribute to much. If folks don’t want to hear more about 3b1b, it will just not gather upvotes.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by ehnto on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:43AM (#25543757)
I get so tired out by the constant filler in written and video articles of education. At the same time, the internet is becoming harder and harder to search for specific bits of information in lists, encyclopedias or other easily referenced and digestible formats.

Earlier today I was trying to find a list of all Alfa Romeo models to identify a car, and all the top results were ten paragraphs of SEO infused filler bullshit, with some smattering of half or less of the cars. Genuine enthusiasts get crushed under the weight of mighty marketing budgets seeking a pittance of adsense dollars.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by kenjackson on Saturday December 26, 2020 @12:48PM (#25545001)
I searched for Alfa Romeo models and my top hit was Wikipedia that listed all the models (I think).
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by ehnto on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:32AM (#25567339)
Which is what I ended up using then googling each model to find images. Years ago I would expect Google to find a great array of enthusiast blogs that might have them properly catalogued, but nowadays it's mostly content marketing articles. Stuff like this: https://www.motortrend.com/features-collections/most-beautif...

It's an op-ed designed to get clicks and turn ad dollars, in a format that extracts even more clicks once you arrive. That's what's frustrating, all the genuine information is being replaced with content marketing apparatuses. That's not really Google's fault intentionally, it's just how the ecosystem has evolved.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by JKCalhoun on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:29AM (#25544379)
Agree. Children's "science" books today are that way too: "Grossology", "Oh, Yuck!", "Totally Gross Experiments and Activities" to name a few....

Even the ones that are not hit-you-on-the-head scatological are still, as you say, trying to be funny and engaging but in a patronizing way.

Perhaps I am not the target audience but I preferred young science books that made you feel like you were learning real science — learning about the chemistry of plastics for example. The science wasn't a footnote to the experiment, it was the reason for the experiment.

Mae and Ira Freeman's science books for kids were great for younger readers. Kenneth Swezey's books. The classic "Golden Book of Chemistry" is a little slick, but still good (https://www.academia.edu/37919681/The_Golden_Book_Of_Chemist...).

Or maybe I just preferred the presentation of the older books...

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by simias on Saturday December 26, 2020 @12:16PM (#25544758)
It's something that as a French person associate a lot with the USA, although the cultural influence of America is so great that it's been borrowed by many other cultures as a "hip" thing to do. Everything is uh-may-zin in America. Everything is "WOW" and "FLAVOUR BLASTED" and ends with an exclamation point.

I often mock some of my American friends by mimicking them when they say that some rather mundane thing is "AMAZING" or "OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE IT" or "THIS IS INSANE" and no, Mark, it's not insane, it's just a decent piece of a cake.

Of course my default French blasé attitude towards everything errs the other way, there's probably a compromise to be found. But at least when I say that I found something to be "amazing" my friends generally take note, because it's not something I say lightly.

That's sort of the main issue for me, it's like the loudness wars for music mixing, when people tell you how to unclog your drain as if it was the most amazing thing that ever happened to them the baseline is completely skewed.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by yummybear on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:39AM (#25544038)
You should try watching British Pathé on youtube. They have a series from the 50’s/60’s about how stuff is made and it’s wonderful. Great quality too.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by bluetomcat on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:23AM (#25543294)
Person-to-person interactions have changed dramatically since those days. Western culture had a sense of duty and progress that is now questioned by the postmodern intellectual elites. The emphasis today is on "enjoying yourself" in your own bubble, and debating "grand moral standards" is even ridiculed.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by lanternfish on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:30AM (#25543332)
It's not clear that this phenomenon (if it exists) has anything to do with the relaxing of educational content norms. If anything, the technological advancements caused by that 'sense of duty and progress' have led to a reduction of the average 'Western' attention span to the point of requiring reductive and trivially engaging educational media. That's probably not really the case either, but it seems just as valid of a theory without considerably more rigorous investigation.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by typon on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:59AM (#25544636)
Just Coursera has more high quality educational content than all these silly videos that were ever produced combined. Western society moved forward - unlocking education from ivory tower universities and making it freely accessible to students around the world.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by kodoque2 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @12:56PM (#25545065)
Without going down the "moral decay" debate and with all due respect to the coursera content, pedagogically wise nothing touch old video content (check out also the ATT science brief), like wise for the science books. It is only very recently that we have content producer like 3blue1brown or learnengineering that start to match or even exceeds those.
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Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by 420codebro on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:28AM (#25543664)
Created an account just to say that. So brave.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by mschuster91 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:48AM (#25544542)
> There is almost always personality emoting and doing accidentally on purpose funny things and laughing, exaggerating everything to keep people engaged.

And to keep videos above a certain length so that the algorithm prefers them over short, concise videos, and that the chance is higher for multiple ad rolls (= more monetization).

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by maxerickson on Saturday December 26, 2020 @08:35AM (#25543355)
Like the stunt riding and log rolling?
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by sorenjan on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:37AM (#25544441)
Youtube has recommended a few videos from the channel Learn Engineering that have been surprisingly good. For example: https://youtu.be/esUb7Zy5Oio
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by agumonkey on Saturday December 26, 2020 @02:15PM (#25545636)
A lot of 40s videos are so well balanced between basic tangible ideas to full device.

- differentials

- fluid based car transmission

- navy canon driver based on analog computers

- wave principles (using super cute appartus to show impedance)

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by CraneWorm on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:08AM (#25543538)
I was expecting explanations to begin shortly, got bored after the second stunt. The format is, frankly, horrible. This must be the analog of the "You want a tutorial to do X? Lemme record myself writing painfully slowly in "New Document.txt to explain it." style of tutorials.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by crispyambulance on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:51AM (#25543795)
The explanation, if you get past the 2 minutes of the synchronized motorcycle-riding, is remarkably lucid and to the point. It starts from the most primary considerations and fully explains the concept. It is neither dumbed down nor laden with jargon. I wish more general-audience presentations today strived for the same. What more can you possibly want?

Perhaps the patience level of audiences of that era was much higher than today? But that's OK, now, thanks to modern media technology, you can randomly access any part of the presentation or speed it up at will.

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by MPSimmons on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:15AM (#25543912)
Motorcycles were a much newer concept in 1937 than they are today. The first "modern" motorcycle was released in 1915, according to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_motorcycle#The_...

Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by dmitryminkovsky on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:17AM (#25543589)
Yeah the stunts and music are slow by our standards, but skip past them and you may find it interesting? It's a great video if you don't know about car differentials.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by JKCalhoun on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:33AM (#25544411)
LOL, I think our attention spans are different. Also, we're not the captive audience sitting on folding chairs in the cafeteria with the 16mm projector rolling in the background — we can hit the back button if in a few seconds we are not drawn in.
Re:1937 film explains how a car differential works by huffmsa on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:09AM (#25543541)
That "Now This" or whatever it is drivel that trickles out a 250 word article over the span of a 3 minute slideshow is mind numbingly bad.