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Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by gamblor956 on Friday December 25, 2020 @03:37PM (#25538852)
Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options.

You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack.

That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and Dell, or if you need the graphical capabilities, Alienware or ASUS gaming laptops.

Windows laptops are hardier than their Apple counterparts at every price point. Everyone I know with an Apple laptop has had to have it replaced under warranty (in a few cases, multiple times), but my Latitudes from college and law school and my Lenovos from old jobs still work. I couldn't even tell you whether Dell or Lenovo warranties are any good because I've never had to use them. I got my cousins an HP laptop from Best Buy about a decade ago, and it's traveled all across India, in trains, on elephants, been dropped a few dozen times, and other than disgustingly sticky keys and a dented frame, it still works like new.

And with the superior hardware, you also get the freedom to install whatever software you want, to use whatever hardware you want, to not worry about whether software you purchased last year will still run on you computer, it's truly liberating. Sure, it's not as shiny or skeumorphic as Mac, but the trade-off is infinitely greater usability.

I don't mean to sound like a Windows fanboy, but once you understand why Windows is so much better you'll never want to use macOS again.

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by TheRealDunkirk on Friday December 25, 2020 @09:46PM (#25540919)
> I don't mean to sound like a Windows fanboy, but once you understand why Windows is so much better you'll never want to use macOS again.

You DO understand that you're talking to a group of people that can and do run about every operating system available, right? I mean, you get that don't you? Every one on here runs everything. We are all well aware of Windows, and yet most of us seem to choose either Mac or Linux where possible. In fact, I'd venture to say most -- not all, of course, but most -- of us only use Windows where necessary.

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by gamblor956 on Friday December 25, 2020 @10:01PM (#25541010)
I'd venture to say that the overwhelming majority of people on HN can and do use Windows at home, with a minority using Mac, and a rounding error using *nix as their primary home OS of choice.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by TheRealDunkirk on Saturday December 26, 2020 @12:40AM (#25541674)
Well, I was going to say that, given the amount and types of coverage Windows and macOS get around here over the past many years, I would have thought the evidence pointed quite to the contrary. But you have 10x the karma I do, so maybe you're more in tune with what's going on.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by gamblor956 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @02:28PM (#25545752)
I don't know why karma is relevant.

Windows gets plenty of coverage on HN, but respective coverage isn't an indicator of OS popularity (or language popularity, etc). If that were true then most people on HN would be using raspberry as their primary gone OS.

Most people don't feel the need to talk about using Windows as their home OS of choice. I generally don't talk about it either, except on articles like this where OS preference is part of the discussion, and even then only in response to connects like the one I responded to.

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by majewsky on Saturday December 26, 2020 @02:09PM (#25545587)
If we're playing the karma game, then I submit that I find GP's assertion highly unlikely. We have a lot of people on here dealing with Windows in a professional setting (like myself), but Linux being a rounding error does not match with the discussions on this site in any way.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by gamblor956 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @02:29PM (#25545764)
Linux is discussed frequently in this site in development contexts, but almost never in the context of home use.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by likeclockwork on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:43AM (#25549765)
I think this forum is borderline hostile to "Linux for home use" discussions. We're here though.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by qeternity on Friday December 25, 2020 @06:54PM (#25540119)
Big Sur 11.0 (and betas) were an absolute mess. However 11.1 is genuinely a great bit of kit.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by jonnycomputer on Friday December 25, 2020 @09:20PM (#25540806)
You don't know me. But I used my 2012 MBP everyday, and its still going strong. Never had a single problem with it.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by TheRealDunkirk on Friday December 25, 2020 @09:39PM (#25540896)
And I knew a guy who had just bought a 2013 MBP, and slipped on ice, and landed on his bag, and bent the thing in about a 20-degree angle around his hip, and even the dang screen still worked. Isn't anecdotal "data" fun?
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by sitzkrieg on Friday December 25, 2020 @06:14PM (#25539868)
i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think.

Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people used to use an example of it just working

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252174979

with that said, linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by andrewzah on Friday December 25, 2020 @06:47PM (#25540085)
"linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases"

In my experience linux has been better than osx by a long shot. For general uses and gaming. I only boot into windows for some games and programs like autodesk fusion.

My parents had very little issues adapting to mint with the cinnamon DE.

I fail to see how modern linux is a "joke".

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by TheRealDunkirk on Friday December 25, 2020 @09:50PM (#25540938)
I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years before moving on to macOS. I can assure anyone that it's perfectly serviceable as a daily driver unless there's some particular piece of software you need which isn't supported.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by sjellis on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:17AM (#25542730)
This is the issue:

> unless there's some particular piece of software you need which isn't supported.

Lots of people need to run very specific pieces of software for their work, or their pastimes. If you want to switch to Linux, you have to look at all of the software that you use, and replace the products that don't have Linux versions. If you can't, then you can't switch.

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by bfrog on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:45AM (#25544075)
I find as a developer there are very very few things I need windows for. Every year I need to start up windows less than the last.

High end PCB design is probably the last on the list. If I had to do ddr with bga SoC I'd probably pony up for Altium, windows only. For the 4 layer hobbies I've actually designed kicad works great!

Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by sitzkrieg on Saturday December 26, 2020 @03:40PM (#25546295)
ive been using kicad for everything lately as well but about to do a large bga and have the same thought
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by MrDresden on Friday December 25, 2020 @07:27PM (#25540303)
I did away with the windows gaming partition earlier this year and went 100% Linux on the desktop (still have a mbp as a laptop). Their Proton innitiative is fantastic.
Re:Switching from Apple to Lenovo by sitzkrieg on Friday December 25, 2020 @08:55PM (#25540721)
well, you can run valgrind on linux :-)

meanwhile i have to recompile drivers to get a mouse sensitivity that isnt insanely too fast with an 800dpi mouse and various other fun things for desktop use