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Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by zamalek on Friday December 25, 2020 @01:16PM (#25538029)
> UNIX

I don't understand why UNIX is such a big deal in 2020. Linux has won, and at least one BSD has binary compatability with Linux. If anything, we should be taking about Linux compliance.

Having no strong package manager story, yet being UNIX compliant, seems like an extremely bizarre priority choice.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday December 25, 2020 @01:31PM (#25538104)
> at least one BSD has binary compatability with Linux.

Two BSDs (NetBSD and FreeBSD, no OpenBSD, don't know about Dragonfly), and a handful of Illumos distros (who call the feature LX-branded zones).

> If anything, we should be taking about Linux compliance.

Please no; a standard defined by one implementation isn't a standard.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by jcelerier on Friday December 25, 2020 @03:13PM (#25538700)
> Please no; a standard defined by one implementation isn't a standard

Linux has another implementation: WSL 1

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by saagarjha on Friday December 25, 2020 @03:28PM (#25538791)
Linux has many implementations; some are more complete than others.
Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by kergonath on Friday December 25, 2020 @02:19PM (#25538394)
There is some value in standards such as UNIX and POSIX compared to whatever the maintainers of a GNU project decided this morning.

As for your second point, it just means that package management is irrelevant to UNIX (or POSIX) compliance. It did not prevent different package managers to appear over the years, because all the expected infrastructure was in place.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by zamalek on Friday December 25, 2020 @07:41PM (#25540369)
> It did not prevent different package managers

But did these UNIX package managers actually materialize? I guess my point is: is UNIX at all relevant? It had some really good ideas that were worth copying, but the world has moved on to greater ideas.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by rualca on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:37AM (#25549738)
> I guess my point is: is UNIX at all relevant?

Obviously yes. I don't understand what is there so hard to understand.

I mean, just go learn about pretty much any field where you need to target a combination of platforms that don't agree on small arbitrary things, and how much wasted effort that consumes.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by zamalek on Monday December 28, 2020 @11:55PM (#25566892)
I'm still not buying it. We can all agree that UNIX should be relevant but, apart from Mac, when was the last time you used a bona-fide UNIX system?

You've assumed that your perspective is the correct one without justifying it. Sure, standards are important, but UNIX doesn't seem to be a successful (or modern) one.

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by rualca on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:34AM (#25549725)
> I don't understand why UNIX is such a big deal in 2020.

If you're interested in learning about why standards are "such a big deal" then you can start by discovering a phenomenon called linux fragmentation".

Re:Some Differences Between macOS and Common Unix Systems by zamalek on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:01AM (#25566908)
30% of Linux fragmentation comes from package managers. 30% of Linux fragmentation comes from the system process. 30% of fragmentation comes from choices concerning default installed packages.

UNIX covers exactly zero of those. If UNIX was worthwhile, we wouldn't have Linux fragmentation or, indeed, an article explaining how to run UNIX scripts on a UNIX-compliant OS (sure as shit ain't a standard if it doesn't actually work).