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Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by 1cvmask on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:44AM (#25528449)
Humans are “flawed” and “biased” (product of their environments and learnings) and thus anything they create and “control” is by definition “flawed” and “biased”. AI is just a set of the many tools humans have created. The biases can be both positive or negative.

It is like people who talk about human rights while ordering bombings of children far away. The ethics of AI is similarly flawed. It might solve some problems here but might inadvertently or deliberately accentuate others depending on your perspective. It is a sense a cost/benefit solution where we may never even be aware of the costs but just the benefits (those who incur the costs may not have a voice or be muzzled).

I am all for AI by the way. I simply see it as a tool. It is up to societies to formulate acceptable policies and measure the costs and benefits.

Humans were good and bad before AI and I see nothing changing there.

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by mhh__ on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:27AM (#25528867)
The point is that things like AI can multiply the effect of any human bias. Humans were fundamentally just "bad" after as before the invention of the machine gun (technically mostly modern artillery, but I'm being poetic), but there probably wouldn't have been as many dead at the Somme without it.

We are seeing every day how AI can be used to censor and suppress, that means we need to be increasingly systematic in how we approach biases both in practice and as a concept (the latter aimed really at those who apply political dogma to what is ultimately a scientific question).

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by abdullahkhalids on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:49PM (#25529650)
To follow up (from a different debate, but this point still stands)

> A core, not side, effect of technology is its ability to magnify power and multiply force — for both attackers and defenders.

> For the most part, though, society still wins. The bad guys simply can’t do enough damage to destroy the underlying social system. The question for us is: can society still maintain security as technology becomes more advanced?

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/when_technolo...

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by teataster on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:45AM (#25529038)
This is one of the best criticisms of AI that I have read.

Leaving science alone and working on our own biases should be the way forward.

But with censorship on the rise in every corner of the world and political spectrum, I would say things are bleak.

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by hungryforcodes on Thursday December 24, 2020 @01:17PM (#25529892)
But who decides which biases are good or bad? If we have no yardstick for that, we become ineffective at personal progress.
Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by holstvoogd on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:03AM (#25528628)
What is you point? The fact that humans have shit ethics does not mean we need not address ethics in AI. Especially if the AI is then used to justify the biases.

And that comparison is completely ridiculous.

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by HexagonalKitten on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:19PM (#25530495)
Right, like we extensively worked out the ethics of automobiles before we allowed them.

Can you imagine if we let cars contribute to inequity by allowing rich people to own them and not poor people? Or if it was possible to just aim a car at people without the self-driving stopping you.

Re:University of Helsinki free MOOC on the Ethics of AI by simion314 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:38PM (#25529538)
The idea is the AI developers should be first of all aware of the potential problems, I would say that maybe AI should be done by competent engineers that studied this domain including data science,statistics and ethics and maybe this engineers should be responsible similar how other professionals can lose their right to practice if they don't respect the rules.

The excuse that the data is garbage so is not my fault is terrible, detecting if the data is garbage is part of your job IMO.

My criticism applies for AI people that work on projects that have large consequences or affect a large number of people, for small we can keep the "no warranty disclaimer"