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Re:China's new Long March-8 rocket makes first flight by baybal2 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:15AM (#25516761)
> JAXA ($1.5b) and ISRO don't have the budget to get there.

Why so, India among other things managed to pull Martian insertion for 1/10th the cost of analogous US mission.

And there is no question, that, at least at the moment, they have both working talent set, and leadership.

Re:China's new Long March-8 rocket makes first flight by adventured on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @08:56AM (#25517643)
Doing a primitive martian insert isn't anywhere in the same universe as landing people safely on the Moon or Mars. India will require several decades of further development yet to attempt a human Moon landing (much less Mars). Russia (nor the USSR before it) can't come close to doing it and they're still far more advanced than India in human launch capabilities.

There are simple things (relatively speaking) you can slash the cost out of dramatically, where it doesn't translate to a far more advanced and difficult mission, and that includes landing humans on the Moon or Mars safely.

NASA can do cheaper missions. There is nothing particularly special about that for such advanced organizations. NASA spends a lot of money because time (getting a mission right the first time) and scarce human resources are both more important to them than sheer dollar cost in most circumstances, unless we're talking enormous sums of money. They could have attempted James Webb in a much faster timeline at a far cheaper cost, by increasing the risk of failure in the mission; that trade-off is almost always undesirable for NASA.

Simply put, a few hundred million dollars is a very big deal to ISRO, it's not a big deal to NASA. If spending $1 billion on a mission gets you down to 5% risk, or you can spend $100 million at 30% risk of failure, NASA will almost always choose the $1b option because there are not enough human resources to throw at numerous copycat missions and the time cost is immense.

Re:China's new Long March-8 rocket makes first flight by valuearb on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @10:47AM (#25518770)
India’s GSLV is less than half the payload capacity of a Falcon 9, and costs as much or lure per launch. India’s space program is funded at $2B a year, significantly more funding than SpaceX has had till recently.