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Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by betwixthewires on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:12AM (#25516176)
Man I have a hard time dealing with comments like this, because people say this sort of thing and it is simply not true. When you get to brass tacks that's when all the other "necessary" expenses usually come up. Gotta have Netflix, gotta eat out once or twice a week, what is the point in life if you cannot consume products? What other ways are there to have fun?

My bills are 800 dollars a month, total. My rent is 400. I live 40 minutes from downtown of one of the largest cities in the US. Before this, they were 1200 dollars a month. I wanted to cut them so I found a way. I have everything I need, and I've got money saved in case of an emergency, I'm going to save my way into the upper middle class living this way, without a degree of any kind.

The trick is to repeat the following mantra: "bills are the devil." That's really all there is to it. Get a car with cash. If you don't have cash, save some cash by not spending all your money. A single person who can't live off 1200 bucks a month is mismanaging their finances. If you can't afford to live in San Francisco, that's not due to our economic system, it is due to how the city manages itself, and it's a way the city is telling you you aren't welcome there. Go somewhere where you can have a decent life.

The only real problem here is health insurance. I do not have it. The health insurance market has been absolutely destroyed by government intervention over the last decade. I remember when I could get a decent plan for 80 bucks a month and I thought that was expensive. It wasn't that long ago.

For families, I get that it is a lot tougher. Two incomes are a must nowadays. But historically, families encouraged their sons to establish themselves financially before having children, and communities that had children young or out of wedlock were usually impoverished. It has always been financially tough rearing children. You can't raise a family working the window at a fast food joint, and there was never a time when you could.

Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by beowulfey on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:44AM (#25516322)
It may seem counterintuitive, but being able to cut your bills down like that is often a privilege. Poverty is a trap and it is hard to move somewhere cheaper when you don’t have enough money to buy a car. You can say “don’t spend your money” all you want but when money is tight you make concessions on things, and it usually leads to higher costs down the road. Cheaper products have to be bought more frequently. Bad cars bought break down sooner. This leads to debt trouble as you borrow from your future to pay for expensive costs now, leading to more fees later. The best money management still can’t predict the unexpected and when you’re barely making it month to month even the slightest setback can have rippling consequences that roll you deeper into debt.

It’s really easy to say “just move and stop spending your money lol” but it really is often more complicated than that.

Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by betwixthewires on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:57PM (#25531824)
It does seem counterintuitive. Would you be able to elaborate on that? What mechanism exists that makes it hard for me to live cheaply but someone else to not? I've lived very poor in my life and this argument that for some people there's no way out doesn't compute, at least not if you live in the west. I've never met a person that cannot pull themselves out of those traps that wasn't caused by discretionary spending and bad impulse control, not in the west. Ive met legitimately poor people in third world countries that are actually stuck due to societal systemic problems. But every person I've met in the US that can't seem to make their lives better, there is always some mismatched priority that keeps them that way.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by EL_Loco on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @06:39AM (#25516599)
Yours and the other comments below are all saying "yeah, it's fine, you can do it if you don't have kids nor health insurance". Which basically means "it's not fine". A good standard of living is not measured by how a person can live as long as she remains single and decides to forego health insurance.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by betwixthewires on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:52PM (#25531785)
I addressed that in my comment; I pointed out that raising children has always been financially more difficult than being single, and humans have always had to prepare themselves for starting a family if they wanted any chance at raising the standard of living of their children. Saying "you cannot start a family on minimum wage" is a ridiculous bar to set as justification for forcing market restrictions on entire populations.