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Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by babyshake on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:57PM (#25514220)
Fair wages and guaranteed jobs can both exist.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by mhh__ on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:04AM (#25516147)
Is there any point in guaranteeing a job rather than just giving the person the money?
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by newerduder on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:35AM (#25516907)
devil's advocate; doing a job takes time, whereas just getting paid does not. Making it harder to have an additional side-job. (it's a common belief that you need to be unemployed and looking for employment before getting a handout)

Also, whoever's "guaranteeing" those jobs can get work done, if you're into that sort of thing. e.g. digging/filling holes, or building roads to nowhere.

Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by baron816 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:13PM (#25514318)
I agree. You can get full employment and a respectable standard of living floor through stuff like a negative income tax and universal health coverage. But making it illegal to work for what YOU consider a low wage and permitting labor cartels is counter productive.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by acover on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:11AM (#25514910)
When bargaining with a monopoly or oligopoly, don't unions just put workers on an even footing?

Market forces leave out every human factor. Unions add it back in.

Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by baron816 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:20AM (#25514973)
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Let’s break up monopolies and encourage competition.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by acover on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:31AM (#25515040)
Is there an ETA for the break up? The trend is the other direction. We could always wait for the end of scarcity.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by baron816 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @02:40PM (#25521289)
“Good laws can’t be passed, so we need bad laws (which we also can’t passed)”
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by acover on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:31PM (#25523040)
Laws around unionization already exist.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by djrobstep on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @02:39AM (#25515409)
Why are labor cartels bad but capital cartels fine?

Why must an employee bargain individually but a megacorp be allowed to bargain against them collectively?

Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by baron816 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @11:31AM (#25519298)
Who here said any form of cartel is fine? If we need to regulate financial markets to prevent collusion, we should do that.
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by djrobstep on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @02:48PM (#25521390)
Why is a union collusive but a corporation and their HR department not collusive?
Re:How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (... by DarkWiiPlayer on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:14AM (#25516186)
Calling unions "labor cartels" is cheap. You might just as well call democratic systems "law cartels" by that logic.