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Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by callamdelaney on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:36PM (#25510929)
>65+ above white wise men snobbery

Nice! Casual ageism and racism mixed into one post.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by WhitneyLand on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @04:15PM (#25511336)
Conventional wisdom is discrimination against privileged groups such as white men is less offensive because they’ve endured so much less of it.

On one hand, it’s true. It’s part of white privilege which is tangible.

On the other hand, however less often people in a privileged class are realistically impacted by discrimination, it’s still > 0.0%. Since it usually costs nothing more to include everyone it seems useful.

But I think the biggest reason it’s important to care about discrimination wherever it shows up and not let people off the hook is that it’s unifying.

There’s a story out of Buddhism that suggests it’s important to think equally kindly about rich people, kind of similar in that they’re a privileged class.

I know it’s a hard sell. I don’t do it justice here. However a powerful argument can be made that not disparaging privileged classes, actually helps us all in the long run/big picture.

If I get down voted I understand, that’s ok. If it makes a difference I don’t mean to minimize the 10,000 year history of pain suffered by any humans due to discrimination.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by karaterobot on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @08:06PM (#25513324)
> However a powerful argument can be made that not disparaging privileged classes, actually helps us all in the long run/big picture.

The powerful argument is that you should treat everyone well, period, and not do some kind of calculation to decide how cruel you're allowed to be to them.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by Dave9k on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:40AM (#25525971)
So at first you're sympathising with discriminating against those that you see as suffering less and then your big idea is treating people equally and that's a 'hard sell'. That is like being a basic good fucking human, it's not a novel idea.
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by WhitneyLand on Saturday December 26, 2020 @11:57AM (#25544616)
Sorry if it was unclear that’s not what I meant to imply.

First, acknowledging the thinking behind a common opinion is not the same as sympathizing with it. It’s only stating a concept I disagree with.

Secondly, it’d be nice to take credit for this, big fucking idea, but unfortunately it’d be thousands of years too late. I explicitly mentioned the source.

Finally, I don’t see how it’s not a novel idea. If you started asking people to think kindly about rich Wall Street bankers or cable company executives would everyone he instantly on board?

I know those are extreme examples but that was the point of the story. What’s indeed not novel is to say, think well of all people.

The hard part is when you try to actually apply it equally, including to less popular but highly privileged classes of people.

I don’t claim that I can do it all the time, I’m sure I don’t in fact. However for any ideal shouldn't it be ok to try and work towards it over time?

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by rs23296008n1 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:48PM (#25512324)
Racist people like you make peaceful protests and working for change against racism so much harder. You're just out for revenge and your rhetoric shows it.

Edit: I've had just about enough of people using "white privilege" to justify violence and blatant discrimination because "they haven't been exposed to enough". Its just another way to justify racism. Plenty of white people live in poverty. Its not ok in either direction.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by callamdelaney on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:51PM (#25512356)
Racism is singling out white people as the source of all evil, and then backing it up with statistics which don’t tell the whole story.
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by anchpop on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @07:07PM (#25512954)
Did you read their entire comment? It sounds like you agree with them
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by callamdelaney on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @07:43PM (#25513178)
The pre and post edit makes it seem like they could be on either side of the argument.
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by preordained on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:42PM (#25510996)
Seriously. That's a WTF from me, dawg...
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by tclancy on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:31PM (#25512148)
Rough guess OP is making fun of himself with this now.
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by sourc3 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @08:21PM (#25513398)
Yep.