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Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by fastball on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:16PM (#25510679)
I've enjoyed Mark Rober's content over the years, but I'm skeptical for two reasons:

1. I think people frequently underestimate how useful it is to do the "boring" parts of engineering (or any discipline). The unfortunate reality is that a lot of learning (that can be applied generally) comes from failure / mistakes, and you don't really get that if you're taught "this is how you can make this particular cool thing". In other words: I don't think you can learn how to do the stuff Rober does on YouTube by Rober telling you how he does the stuff on YouTube. He is capable of that precisely because he studied engineering in school and worked at NASA etc and experienced failures and setbacks which, though not obviously related to making a glitter bomb or w/e, taught him lessons and skills that are helpful under the surface. This is generally why I'm skeptical of anyone that thinks they can distill down their success in a given field into a single book or video series, when invariably their success is a result of 10+ years of experience, practice, and overcoming obstacles.

2. Creativity is near impossible to teach, which effectively just makes this a 30 day engineering course, in which case see point (1).

Hopefully my skepticism is misplaced though and this is a very worthwhile course for a lot of people!

Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by glenstein on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @06:07PM (#25512512)
>This is generally why I'm skeptical of anyone that thinks they can distill down their success in a given field into a single book or video series, when invariably their success is a result of 10+ years of experience, practice, and overcoming obstacles.

I just want to complement you for this excellent distillation of the problem with this kind of course without descending into backhanded complements.

When I heard about the course, something did strike me as "off" in the sense of needing to be explained. It feels like a shortcut, a whirlwind tour, or worse, a "master class" that leaves out something important. And what it leaves out is the grind, and the tedium, and the meta-understanding that those are aspects of successful work.

Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by epsilonclose on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:27PM (#25510830)
I think your skepticism is well-placed. If this were a "30 day creative programming" course, I wonder what the HN reaction would be. My guess is that it would be: just pick a project and go for it, you don't need a class to start learning. Maybe atoms inspire more trepidation than bits though.
Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by avmich on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:23PM (#25510779)
> Creativity is near impossible to teach

After "Borrowing Brilliance: The Six Steps to Business Innovation by Building on the Ideas of Others" I'm not so sure about that.

The idea this book talks about - I think central, but not the only one - is that creativity at least closely related to combinations and transfer between fields.

Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by lnwlebjel on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:21PM (#25512034)
"Where Good Ideas Come From" is similarly useful in this regard. "To form fresh ideas, it is necessary to explore the adjacent possible, and to have the widest adjacent possible, it is necessary to have the widest list of available ideas for recombination, the biggest list of spare parts available for recombination" ... quoting from my notes.
Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by fastball on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @06:18PM (#25512612)
Right, that's kinda my point. Creativity isn't taught – it's enabled by 8 years of working at NASA and such, as Mark Rober has done.

But he can't communicate all of the skill transfer he is doing in a way that your brain will change to see things the way he does – no one can.

Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by fxtentacle on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:01PM (#25511818)
Thank you for the next book on my reading list :)
Re:Mark Rober (former NASA) launches a 30 day Creative Engin... by gowld on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:31PM (#25510864)
The real value is for an engineering expert (with a makerspace) to use Rober's class as a curriculum. I don't think it'll be great for an individual student.