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Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by hugh3 on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:07PM (#2550907)
Oh fuck, Calicanis is on the bitcoin-promotion train now.

Now here's a note to the other bitcoin article-spammers. Watch Calcianis and learn. He's done everything right for memetically engineering the kind of article that gets upvoted.

1. He's asked a provocative question, the kind which makes people want to argue with it ("Why no, I'd say that such-and-such is the most dangerous open source project ever").

2. He's used attention-grabbing words like "dangerous" and geek-friendly terms like "open source".

3. And almost the entire article is made up of point-form lists. Everybody loves point-form lists.

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by jasonmcalacanis on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:14PM (#2550921)
1. Why so angry? 2. Calacanis is how my name is spelled. 3. It's just one person's opinion--but a well informed one.

Why not spend your time reading the piece and pushing the discussion forward based on merit?

best j

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by hugh3 on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:33PM (#2550958)
To respond to your points in reverse order (ignoring "3" which isn't actually a point):

Firstly, there's really no need to sign things with your name. Your name is at the top, it doesn't need to be at the bottom too.

2. Sorry. Many letters. Small font. Light grey text. Calacanis. Got it now.

But (1) is a good question. I'm not angry, but this "bitcoin" meme does annoy me. Why? Because it's one of those viruses that can be really dangerous to social news ecosystem. Much like those parasites that burrow into the brain and take over the host's motor functions to spread itself more easily, everybody who gets bitten by the meme (ie winds up with a few bitcoins of their own) suddenly has an incentive to start spreading the bitcoin meme as far and as wide as possible to drive up the value in the (imho extremely forlorn) hope that someday it will become truly widespread. Since it only takes a few well-timed votes to push something to the front page of HN, this makes HN fertile ground for being manipulated by this kind of thing.

So I approach bitcoin advocates the same way I approach folks selling Amway or religious missionaries.

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by gbog on Sunday May 15, 2011 @11:54PM (#2551584)
Bitcoin "can be really dangerous to social news ecosystem"

So you agree with the article, but you don't want people to talk too much about it on HN? I think it is a very weird position to hold. Imagine there was a very dangerous disease, should it be discussed openly in physician congresses? Yes? Same here (HN is the hackers congress, right?), so let us discuss the topic freely.

Why is Bitcoin so dangerous:

- Could break the current economy.

Ok, and so? Is the current economy that perfect a thing that we do not want any replacement? Just have a look in countries where all the wealth created is sucked by a very few corrupted nababs lying down in sofas, and meanwhile people starve silently in the streets. I don't say Bitcoin will fix this, I just say that changing the current economically rules is still a possibility, and Bitcoin-like currency could be a part of the picture. The current economy applied to the world is in fact a very specific and recent invention. In Imperial China (only 200 years ago), the inflation was artificially set to a very high level, so the price of money would go down very fast, and nobody would think of "keeping money aside", so everyone was just spending. That's another model, it did work not so bad for a big part of humanity for some centuries. I am no technotarians, I respect the law, but I think it is quite possible that our economical model is not the best possible.

- Bitcoin could ease the work for wrong-doers (drug traffic, etc.)

This argument is very weak. The same has been said for cell phones, Internet, etc. If this powerful tool is kept secret and hidden in a kind of black market, it will help mostly people in these places. If we discuss it openly, and make it accessible, it may help more "normal" people.

- Tax

Tax is the biggest issue, but let's not be in fear: Governments are very imaginative when it comes to getting money from their administrates. For example, they could easily ask for Bitcoins in exchange of the right to use information vectors (cables, wireless).

Every great innovation have been seen as extremely dangerous by the people in place. Do you take the plane? Yes. Did you heard about this guy a 100 years ago who tried to fly like a bird: he held tight a set of man-made "wings", jumped from the top of the Eiffel tower, and flatly crashed on the floor. One of my good friend's father did refuse to take a plane to see his newborn grand'son.

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by zem on Monday May 16, 2011 @08:20AM (#2552316)
> Bitcoin "can be really dangerous to social news ecosystem" So you agree with the article, but you don't want people to talk too much about it on HN?

No, he doesn't (necessarily) agree with the article - what he's saying here is that bitcoin early-adopters have an incentive to spread the gospel of bitcoin by whatever means possible, which means that social news could get subjected to a tide of bitcoin-related spam. Different form of danger altogether.

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by noagendamarket on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:57PM (#2550999)
I approach advocates of the central banking system the same way I approach psychotic prison inmates.
Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by bradpineau on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:14PM (#2550919)
I think it's a great article.
Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by jasonmcalacanis on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:16PM (#2550928)
I am a great writer, yes. :-)

Seriously, let's break this down:

a) I hear about a trend

b) I read everything I can find about it

c) I have two full-time analysts read everything on it and talk to 10 people.

d) I have 30+ producers of my show do research

e) I host a podcast with the lead developers

f) I read a ton of comments and listen to the feedback on the show

g) I write a piece two weeks later after taking it all in.

Yep, I just did 100+ hours of research on the top and put out a link-baiting piece. :-)

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by tlrobinson on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:31PM (#2550954)
The article was pretty good, but the title was definitely sensationalist. We don't take kindly to that around here. I almost didn't read it because of the title alone.
Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by Ixiaus on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:26PM (#2550948)
I'm sure you've put time into reading about BitCoin but it's difficult to take a "piece" seriously when the grammatical and mechanical errors in your writing are abundant. Additionally, beginning a "piece" with a vapid 6 point list.

Also not to mention the comment stacking with "bradpineau". Whatevs, I guess I'm just feeding the shark. Please flag this submission to anyone who get here - it's obvious social media spam.

Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by bobds on Monday May 16, 2011 @02:06AM (#2551808)
If that's the result of a) to g) PLUS 100 hours of your own research, I'm quite disappointed because there's various misconceptions and hand-waving.
Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by bradpineau on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:24PM (#2550941)
Outside of members of the bitcoin project, Jason is probably the most qualified to write a bitcoin article. As he states above, he definetly did the research.
Re:Is Bitcoin the most dangerous open source project ever? by panacea on Sunday May 15, 2011 @06:48PM (#2550982)
To paraphrase reddit: "Nice try: one of the 'c) I have two full-time analysts'..."