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Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by chongli on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:58AM (#25507561)
No, I’m at a school that is highly ranked for engineering. The engineering students have barely any electives at all. They’re always working their butts off and super stressed out all the time. For the few electives they do have they tend to choose bird courses.

I’m a pure math student though. Math students tend to have way more flexibility in what they study. You can take extremely rigorous courses like functional analysis and algebraic topology. Or you can do a math-based accounting program and pretty much stop taking hard math courses after first year.

Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by a1369209993 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:04PM (#25510527)
> No, I'm at a school that is highly ranked for engineering.

In other words, you're at a school that cheats on the rankings. (As the saying goes, when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a measure.)

Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by iguy on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:52AM (#25508281)
I thought this was true of math almost anywhere. Those who are serious will take hard courses and learn a lot, there is no ceiling. The reward isn't a high GPA, but if something formal is needed, a transcript naming what you took ought to be fairly readable. Perfect scores on soft math-accounting courses won't open any doors.

Engineering programs are a bit different, and more interested in making sure the floor is high. More like medicine in that they are concerned that a certified professional should be competent.

Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by ghaff on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:14PM (#25508580)
Math is also a bit of an outlier in that, to a greater degree than most STEM majors, what's relatively easy for some is "I could just as soon flap my arms and fly as graduate with a math degree" for others. My math was OK enough to graduate with an engineering degree. I could never have contemplated getting a math degree. (Probably uniquely among degrees where I went. Well, maybe physics, but same thing.)
Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by com2kid on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:35PM (#25510912)
Two of the best courses I took in college outside my major:

1. The art of listening to music

2. Geographic Information Systems

Both courses were pretty much impossible to fail.

The first course expanded my musical horizons and led to me enjoying almost any genre of music, whereas before I had listened to only a few select genres. Huge QoL improvement.

The 2nd course had proven useful whenever the topic of mapping has come up, which includes understanding property lines and real estate.

A bunch of smart people work at universities who are there to teach students stuff. It is up to the students to learn.

Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by chongli on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @04:59PM (#25511793)
That’s fine. I’m taking philosophy courses toward my minor and they tend to be impossible to fail. Having said that, I spend huge amounts of time doing the readings and writing the papers. I don’t need to, but I do anyway.

When I talk about students taking bird courses, I mean the kind where they never show up to class and just memorize a bunch of stuff before the midterm. They walk away with an 80, completely satisfied, having learned nothing.

Re:Parents demand academic publisher drop Proctorio surveill... by com2kid on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:24PM (#25514382)
I've honestly never seen that.

Seems to me, that is like paying for a nice steak dinner, coming in, sitting down, eating the potatoes, then leaving.

Like, why? The point of college is to learn things. Balancing course load is important, but not learning at all is just a waste of time.