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Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by ballenf on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @08:58AM (#25506300)
Ironically, plastics and other hydrocarbons now substitute for many of the uses of lead: pipes, paint, gasoline additives, etc. So to say we should have moved slowly to plastics would probably mean lead would have been around for a lot longer.

I'd happily take the wager that removing lead from the environment around us was the right move. I might lose the bet, but I think it's a reasonable position.

Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by Frost1x on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:16AM (#25506992)
How have plastics substituted for lead in paint and gasoline additives (genuinely curious)?

Pipes I'm quite familiar with (lead/PVC). It's my understanding gas tends to use ethanol as a substitute, not plastics? No clue about paint. It's also my understanding the vast majority of microplastics found are for plastics designed to be small (e.g. micro beads in soaps) and clothing (e.g. polyester material strands) and not from fragments of larger plastic components (e.g. PVC pipes).

Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by XorNot on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:52AM (#25507470)
Gasoline is not substituted with ethanol. It's a combination of improved engine design and non-lead additives to provide the necessary anti-detonation properties.
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by Frost1x on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:07PM (#25508498)
I meant ethanol as one of the substitutes for lead (previously a common additive) in gasoline which was often used before to better control compression and combustion. Are microplastics or plastics used to better control combusion engines now?
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by XorNot on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:50PM (#25509026)
I meant ethanol was not substituted for lead AFAIK - the lead was replaced with MTBE in practice, and then the story of ethanol blending has more to do with CO2 emissions reduction (or in the case of Australia, a conservative prime minister somehow getting away with a levy on milk to bail out his mate's ethanol plant and mandating 10% blending in fuel at the pumps).

Ethanol was the original anti knock agent, but afaik was actually replaced by tetraethyl lead originally.

Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by Frost1x on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @01:36PM (#25509562)
Interesting, thanks.
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by mekkkkkk on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:11PM (#25510627)
That's kind of a false dichotomy though, isn't it?
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by EinwegPlastik on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @09:07AM (#25506366)
Huh? i assumed we went from lead to copper and not straight to plastic
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by nikolay on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @08:12PM (#25524191)
Copper is toxic, too. Don't overeat liver!
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by withinboredom on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @09:14AM (#25506424)
Then we'd just complain about an overabundance of minerals in our body.
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by kaybe on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:38PM (#25508897)
Seeing that humans have a far higher tolerance for copper compared to other animals we can assume that this was indeed at some point in our history a major problem.
Re:Microplastics found in the placentas of human fetuses by EinwegPlastik on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:21AM (#25507832)
In germany we have a ton of copper pipes and there are no copper minerals going into the water as soon as the oxidatinlayer is there.

Its still standard having copper pipes here; we use plastic after the water arrives at the room.