Re:Voat Is Shutting Down
by jcims on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:36PM
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Same. It was so on-the-nose I wasn't entirely convinced that everything I was reading was authentic. Obviously that type of person exists but some of the conversations seemed performative.
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A lot of it probably started out as performative, but later became sincere -- either as users on the site became further radicalized, or as the site became a magnet for users who actually believed the awful things they were saying.
When I first moved to my current home I installed a big wood stove in the basement to help keep the home warm. Over the next few years I learned a lot empirically about how fire works.
One of the more interesting lessons was how important it is to use the radiant heat from a burning piece of wood to build and sustain heat in other pieces of wood. It works a bit like fuel rods in a fission reaction. When you keep the logs separate they will burn, but not vigorously. But if you bring two glowing logs close together, you can see them mutually heat each other and drive up the rate of combustion.
I think something like that happens with these concentrated communities.
That's a really striking analogy.
It's hard to say, but it does seem like the pathway from edgelord to actual nazi is disturbingly short and straight. Even if a lot of that content wasn't authentic, there is a non-trivial chance that they'll come to believe it eventually.
Re:Voat Is Shutting Down
by sonotathrowaway on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:27AM
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“Ironic nazis” aren’t a thing, they’re just nazis. The original nazis used “irony” and “edgelord” recruiting tactics in the same way that the modern neo-nazi does, with the same intents and purposes. There’s no difference in the tactics, just like there’s no difference in the contingent of concerned free-speech absolutists convinced that we need to listen to their “jokes” and take them in stride as they advance their radicalization campaigns. The “irony” is important, because it allows their recruits to performatively voice their hatred in a safe manner, much like a child riding a bike with training wheels. The goal of radicalization is to move them away from the irony, but keep the hatred.
https://www.thewrap.com/daily-stormer-founder-ironic-nazis-a...
Re:Voat Is Shutting Down
by concordDance on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @06:44AM
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Edgelords get rejected by all the non-nazis.
Re:Voat Is Shutting Down
by sam_bristow on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:44AM
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This is when i tend to apply Popehat's law of goats.
The Rule of Goats: even if you say you're only fucking goats ironically, you're still a goatfucker
Re:Voat Is Shutting Down
by user-the-name on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @07:39AM
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It's only an act for so long. If it ever was an act.