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Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by dehrmann on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:21PM (#25500334)
> 2. Allocation of free public space (car parking) to drivers, effectively subsidizing (disproportionately suburban) commuters at the expense of residents.

The times I've commuted into a city, I had to pay for parking, usually in a private lot. I suspect it's like this in most big cities, and in smaller cities where people still commute, parking is probably private lots owned by the employer, not street parking. Picture a standard office park.

In places with free street parking (or public lots), I suspect the population is sparse enough that the added land cost for parting isn't a big deal, most people have cars, and most people support having parking.

Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by woodruffw on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:36PM (#25500511)
> In places with free street parking (or public lots), I suspect the population is sparse enough that the added land cost for parting isn't a big deal, most people have cars, and most people support having parking.

This is not true in Manhattan, which (to my knowledge) is the most densely populated borough in the most densely populated city in the US. Almost all street parking in Manhattan is free, with small carve-outs for meters on high-traffic blocks.

The city also has a semi-official policy of allowing commercial traffic to ignore parking laws[1]. In practice, that means trucks parked on sidewalks, with pedestrians exposed to car traffic on the streets.

[1]: https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/08/20/delivery-companies-pr...

Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by throw0101a on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:50PM (#25501196)
> In places with free street parking (or public lots), I suspect the population is sparse enough that the added land cost for parting isn't a big deal, most people have cars, and most people support having parking.

Of course they support it, because it doesn't effect their wallets. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a cost to it:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Cost_of_Free_Parking

Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by staybailey on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @01:41AM (#25503633)
> parking is probably private lots owned by the employer, not street parking. Picture a standard office park.

But this is still subsidized because regulations mandate that buildings have lots of parking. These regulations are typically quite extreme with requirements intended to support the 99.999% demand case (think peak hour of black friday) conditional on a parking price of $0. Most developments build the minimum amount of parking they can by law suggesting this isn't a free market outcome.

So if you want to have business you have to provide tons of parking and make up for it with higher prices for your goods and services. This subsidizes vehicle driving over other modes a transport. Especially so because giant parking lots make it harder to reach the store front by foot.

Google Donald Shoup for more context.

Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday December 21, 2020 @09:34PM (#25502246)
Manhattan has all day free on-street parking in some places. More opens up after 6PM. Then everything is free on Sundays.
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Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by AmpsterMan on Monday December 21, 2020 @10:23PM (#25502506)
I'd prefer for there to be a more market incentive to build parking garages than a mandate for commercial/offices to have to all have their own parking, or effectively subsidized free street side parking. Think of all the surface area used up by cars parking on the street; pave that over with a sidewalk and allow bars/restaurants to set up shop there. That's what I would like.
Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by owowow on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @01:04AM (#25503423)
Building a parking spot in a modern building can cost $20k, which is hard to recoup with parking revenue.

If the break even target is 10 years with no interest accrued, we are talking about $5.47 a day in revenue needs to be generated (plus the overhead of managing the lot itself).

How many paid parking lots do you see that are full on a regular basis? Are they really generating revenue even half time?

Re:Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto in... by adrianN on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @01:42AM (#25503639)
So you're arguing parking is way too cheap and we should make it more expensive. I think that's generally a consensus opinion among city planners.