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Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by tobr on Monday December 21, 2020 @04:54PM (#25500087)
Past performance is not indicative of future results etc, but you’re right, this is basically exactly what Palm CEO Ed Colligan said about the rumored iPhone a few months before it was revealed[1]:

> “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”

1: https://daringfireball.net/2006/11/colligan_head_stuck

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by jandrese on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:08PM (#25500808)
The first couple of generations of the iPod kinda sucked too. It's really hard to get everything perfect in the first generation, probably impossible. Having the agility to iterate on the design quickly so you can capitalize on the initial hype is what Apple does so well.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by brianwawok on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:37PM (#25501084)
IPod came out before cheap flash storage. I am surprised it worked as well as it did for shoving a laptop hard drive in a music player.

Would a car be like that now? Batteries are close to too expensive, but 38k model 3 says we are close...

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by rangoon626 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:55AM (#25503354)
Did they?

Not that much about the iPod changed between 2001 and 2005. A simple to use interface, large storage made it great from the start, but windows support it what made it successful.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by jandrese on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:58AM (#25507554)
They physical wheel was fragile and the internal HDDs weren't quite big enough for a good music library. They were also a little too big and heavy, and they used Firewire as the interface which wasn't well supported at the time (or ever) on PCs.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by saagarjha on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:10AM (#25503784)
It got smaller. The original iPod was…kind of big.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by baybal2 on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:04PM (#25500780)
And they didn't. Iphone 1 was far from a commercial success. 3GS was the first one that approached the cult status.

It tool them 4 generations to get there, and a lot of money.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by jbullock35 on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:21PM (#25500943)
> Iphone 1 was far from a commercial success.

I don't think that's true. For example, less than a year after its release, the iPhone accounted for 28% of smartphones sold in the U.S. (and presumably for a greater percentage of smartphone-sale revenue): see https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/02/iphone-owns-28-perce....

And half a year after that, the news was better still: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/10/apple-officially-sur...

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by kllrnohj on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:51PM (#25502982)
To put that 10 million sales in 2008 into context, the Motorola Razr sold 140 million devices over a 4 year period ending in 2007.

So... by & large nobody had an iPhone or smartphone. They all had Razrs (or other feature-phones) instead.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by peddling-brink on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:04PM (#25501319)
There weren't that many smartphones then. Most people were using feature phones.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by ska on Monday December 21, 2020 @08:16PM (#25501792)
> Iphone 1 was far from a commercial success.

That's a difficult statement to support. It set the stage for everything that came after, and it knocked the industry back on its heels. I'm not sure of the margin or unit numbers but for lots of values of "commercial success", that alone is hard to ignore.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by rangoon626 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:56AM (#25503358)
People were waiting in lines for DAYS to get the first iPhone.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by onethought on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @06:20AM (#25505159)
4 years you mean, generating profit the entire time. You have a very high bar for commercial success.