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Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by pclmulqdq on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:38AM (#25496499)
These loans have destroyed any chance that a generation of underprivileged students will achieve financial prosperity.

If they go away, the federally subsidized loan programs will likely be phased out over ~5 years or so. The private sector will replace them for students who are good bets, probably with income-share agreements or something similar and MUCH less predatory than the current federal loan programs.

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by rconti on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:00PM (#25496780)
>The private sector will replace them for students who are good bets, probably with income-share agreements or something similar and MUCH less predatory than the current federal loan programs.

[Citation needed]

We already know who the "good bets" are. They're the rich kids. And if you think "income sharing" and the private sector will drive rates down from a federally-subsidized ("predatory") rate, well, I don't know what to say.

I certainly don't think burying underprivileged students under a mountain of debt at graduation is a good thing. I'd very much like to see costs come way down, and I do agree that doing something about the loan system is a piece of the puzzle. But the reason the underprivileged are taking on this debt is that they're attempting to move up, in a way that avoiding debt by avoiding higher education will never achieve. Unfortunately, higher education has become the only way to hang on to an otherwise-falling standard of living; wage stagnation despite increasing education level.

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by ishjoh on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:54PM (#25497384)
An alternative to the current system which would be very disruptive and allow for a lot of experimentation and alternatives would be to have state level or national level certification exams that would need to be passed to obtain a degree.

The exams could then also show percentiles, so even if you were self taught you could be ranked against Ivy League students.

Cons to this approach would be the same issues that exist with standardized testing today. Emphasis on only learning to the test, high stress make or break testing (although this already exists with the SATs and other exams). I'm sure there are also a number of other cons.

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by bko on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:57PM (#25497419)
> [Citation needed]

Pretty much all private student loan borrowers pick off the "good bets". Because the government rate is the floor.

This was Sofi business model. I remember looking at their securitizations and most were graduate school loans for top schools( Wharton, Harvard, Columbia, etc). It wouldn't be rare for an entire securitization of thousands of loans to have no loans even 30 days delinquent. And they paid back quickly too.

> Investors received a financial return and borrowers received rates lower than the federal government offered. The company sought to minimize defaults by focusing on low-risk students and graduates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoFi

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by imtringued on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:05PM (#25501325)
You can trivially add the inefficiency you so desire by letting the government only cover part of the loan up to a set amount. If the government only guarantees loans up to 30k you can still get an additional 30k loan at your own risk to pay for a 60k degree.
Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by Nbox9 on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:07PM (#25496862)
This is hyperbolic. There are plenty of people with underprivileged backgrounds and student loans that have achieved financial prosperity.
Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by evilduck on Monday December 21, 2020 @02:07PM (#25498228)
But it's not a guarantee that as a mostly unqualified and unemployable high school kid that they can predict the economy and job market 4-5 years ahead of time and if they just take on a crushing amount of debt for an education that they will become financially prosperous or even qualified to work in a given field with just a bachelors. Oh, and we provide almost no social safety nets should they fail and the debt can't be discharged.

Yeah people roll these dice and win, but plenty of people roll the same dice and lose.

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by michaelt on Monday December 21, 2020 @04:41PM (#25499941)
> The private sector will replace them for students who are good bets, probably with income-share agreements or something similar and MUCH less predatory than the current federal loan programs.

Maybe.

Or maybe the the costs and loans will remain huge - but now with parents as co-signers, and only available to people whose parents are homeowners with good credit.

Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by krisgee on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:50PM (#25497330)
Just like how private sector health insurance isn't predatory at all huh.
Re:Some U.S. Colleges Cut Tuition by tw25495259 on Monday December 21, 2020 @01:04PM (#25497529)
It used to be [1][2] until competition was largely regulated out of existence (much to the benefit of doctors and insurance firms). It might be "private sector", but it sure isn't subject to market forces.

It's no accident that those industries with the most anti-competitive regulations are those with the highest costs and poorest service (which ironically begets more anti-competitive regulation).

Tensions between supplier and consumer are profit opportunities for extant and would-be competitors. That no one is stepping in to reap those profits is a strong indicator of a (state-enforced) anti-competitive environment.

[1] https://theunbrokenwindow.com/2011/05/16/lodge-practice-evil...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1652413/?page=1 A doctor in 1908 complaining that fraternal lodge medical insurance was too cheap:

> the chief aim of many fraternal orders appears to be the exploitation and control of physicians in the interests of the numerical and financial growth of the lodges and mainly at the expense of physicians.