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Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by perchard on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:00PM (#25483454)
Just my interpretation (of the Pascal quote), beginning with the full quote.

> When I have occasionally set myself to consider the different distractions of men, the pains and perils to which they expose themselves at court or in war, whence arise so many quarrels, passions, bold and often bad ventures, etc., I have discovered that all the unhappiness of men arises from one single fact, that they cannot stay quietly in their own chamber. A man who has enough to live on, if he knew how to stay with pleasure at home, would not leave it to go to sea or to besiege a town. A commission in the army would not be bought so dearly, but that it is found insufferable not to budge from the town; and men only seek conversation and entering games, because they cannot remain with pleasure at home.[139][#201908302349]

This quote is often summarized roughly as: "all of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone." (i.e. the title of this post). Taken out of context, this would seem to suggest (to me) a belief that if we could simply meditate and avoid external distractions (a commission in the army, conversation, games, Pascal suggests), we might find happiness.

However, a reading of the full passage reveals that "on further consideration" he thinks the reason for this is that if we were to sit with our thoughts, the "natural poverty of our feeble and mortal condition" would drive us to despair.

He thinks that someone who truly understands the human condition would do everything they could to avoid sitting alone with their thoughts ("there is nothing they leave undone in seeking turmoil") . We seek diversion because if we didn't have any distraction, we would end up dwelling on the miserable human condition (selfish, pre-occupied with self-gratification, sensitive to the opinion of others, judgmental, etc. - basically, 'sinful').

In the end, he suggests that we should look for happiness externally, in God, which he then talks about a lot.

[#201908302349]: Blaise Pascal (1958): _Pascal's Pensées_, New York: E.P. Dutton.

Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by p0d on Sunday December 20, 2020 @06:29AM (#25485538)
Thanks. I was reading this thread thinking that sitting alone with your thoughts does not necessarily bring you peace. It can often do the opposite.

I take time and pray to God each morning. I find that this gives me peace. I feel better prepared to deal with the day when I pray.

My routine is focused around praying the Lord's Prayer, as in the prayer Jesus taught. Praying this prayer over years has enabled some truths to sink in. For example, the first part of the prayer is not about us, it is about God. I think it is good to start the day with the understanding we are not the centre of the universe. Secondly, I have been struck by how the Lord's prayer does not start at the place of forgiveness. Whether that be seeking forgiveness or asking for forgiveness. This gives me peace in the knowledge I don't need to have it all together before I engage with God in prayer.

Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by reasonabl_human on Sunday December 20, 2020 @10:37AM (#25486948)
This gave me a new perspective on what became routine words after many decades. Thank you!
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by SyzygistSix on Sunday December 20, 2020 @12:01PM (#25487638)
A buddhist, occultist, or existentialist might suggest Pascal just didn't explore this space far enough. Those with the courage to question even the existence of God and meaning might find more rewarding insights or experiences.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by mensetmanusman on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:39PM (#25483670)
With all the sociological data we have now, it’s almost certain that Pascal’s wager has never been more true for those looking to lead a meaningful life.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by maxerickson on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:26AM (#25486381)
I like to think of the wager as an accidental heresy, laying bare the threat being made by the humans doing the teaching.

"Believe me or suffer for eternity!"

Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by Bakary on Sunday December 20, 2020 @12:39AM (#25484134)
Which deity do you pick in that case? There are many of them.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by tylerjwilk00 on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:56AM (#25485118)
If you strip away the dogma and cultural "decorations" of most religions the foundations are all mostly the same.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by Bakary on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:38AM (#25486466)
That doesn't have much to do with the wager itself as it is concerned with a potentially infinitely negative or positive outcome seen through the lens of belief in an afterlife of some sort.

If we are merely concerned with life in itself, then religious belief is redundant: you can indeed strip its useful aspects through careful study but leave the actual belief aside

Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by tylerjwilk00 on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:16AM (#25493584)
Agreed. My only point is that your wager need not be limited to dogmatic adherence of existing religions. You can create your own God in a sense.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by mensetmanusman on Sunday December 20, 2020 @10:41AM (#25486984)
The one that is the most international if your meaningful life were to include travel.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by drevil-v2 on Sunday December 20, 2020 @02:36AM (#25484625)
I think you will find most theological traditions aka religions have a lot of common ground. So much so that you can actually abstract out lot of the ancient wisdom from the religion itself.

The book "Happiness Hypothesis" by Johnathon Haidt examines this in detail if you wish to purse it further.

Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by Bakary on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:04AM (#25486254)
My understanding was that Pascal's wager implies the prospect of eternal damnation or some infinitely negative consequence. Therefore the choice of religion is probably of great import if we enter the logic of the wager.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by SyzygistSix on Sunday December 20, 2020 @12:02PM (#25487650)
I would suggest paying attention to the ones that speak to you.
Re:All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in ... by Bakary on Sunday December 20, 2020 @06:04PM (#25490449)
In my case, that would be Mammon