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Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by Retric on Saturday December 19, 2020 @11:59AM (#25478799)
Individual cities can’t solve national problems. Due to migration there are no great solutions at the individual city level, other than being “blessed” with an inhospitable area.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by mcbuilder on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:12PM (#25478948)
In 2015 84% of Santa Clara homeless where from the county when they lost their home. Only 6% where out of state when they became homeless. Source: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/opa/nr/Documents/SantaClaraCoun...

I live in SoCal so I thought you would even see more homeless migrants because of the weather. However, from speaking with homeless I would say in my experience most have lived in the area for a long time, with only one beach bum guy I spoke with who actually was "fresh off the bus". Until I saw the statistics though I was also under this misconception.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by Retric on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:39PM (#25479238)
It’s a complex topic, first homeless is often a temporary condition where people cycle through homelessness. Second only 37% of American homeless population is unsheltered. So, the people who moved a long distance while homeless is a small percentage of the overall population, but also a much harder population to serve.

Anyway, hospitality isn’t really a question of weather as Alaska for example has relatively high rate of homelessness and NYC one of the highest. Mississippi on the other hand has the lowest rate despite mild winters and significant poverty.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by rolph on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:30PM (#25480367)
Alaskan "homelessness" is very different in practice. The institutional definition of homelessness is very self serving. Nomadic peoples are considered homeless under this fiefdom.

The stigmatization and criminalization of not paying taxes to lease a deed of property is a big problem, this planet as a whole belongs to all forms of life inhabiting it, not just the primates that choose to play that game.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by CerealFounder on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:23PM (#25479066)
There is pretty powerful statistical evidence that when Regan moved homeless services from the federal level to a state responsibility it cratered the numbers of beds (especially in small towns) and created an unsolvable situation in that when you're struggling in your small town who has zero homeless support, you make a move to some place else, somewhere where being homeless is not has bad weather wise and has a bit of infrastructure. So now you have all of the struggling people from "Mainstreet usa" moving toward the main cities all at once (over a couple decades) an essentially a burden on them to deal with EVERYONES homeless problem instead of historically their own.

This problem was working much better in the 70s and 80s when their was a national framework for it. While SF and LA's government is flawed, this blame state/city is like blaming the individual ushers when the fans run on the field after a football upset. It was more of a structural failure than a local.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by thrill on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:45PM (#25479308)
So some dude in Montana should pay for cleaning the streets in San Francisco?
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by tyg13 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:50PM (#25479370)
States like Montana receive far more in federal tax dollars than states like California. If you think Montanans are going to be subsidized Californians and not the way around, I have a bridge in Montana I've got to sell you.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by nitrogen on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:11PM (#25479583)
This will need a number to back that up. I've seen claims in both directions here on HN. It's also a number that's easy to distort to say whatever you want. Are people employed by the IRS being "subsidized"? Civilian logistics coordinators working for the DOD? Are you talking per capita, per square mile, or gross?
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by jlarocco on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:14PM (#25480231)
Here: https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1-7-19b-Bala...

Or, the same data with a very hard to read circular bar graph visualization:

https://howmuch.net/articles/federal-budget-receipts-and-exp...

The numbers are actually pretty straightforward. "Expenditures is a broad category and covers a variety of things, including direct payments to people like Social Security, contracts for local governments, wages for federal workers and sub-contracting work."

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by blululu on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:54PM (#25480035)
https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...

From an accounting standpoint, gross money in be money out is what matters. Per capita makes sense to compare relative benefit, but realistically Montana is small potatoes on the Federal Balance sheet. Measuring per sq mile seems like some ludicrous ploy by Alaska’s senator to screw over New Jersey.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by paul_f on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:44PM (#25479918)
Oftentimes when this sort of stat is quoted, it is because of social security payments to retired people - for example, Florida
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by Retric on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:33PM (#25480398)
Not for rural sates. Farm subsidies, military spending, and rural healthcare initiatives etc, move a lot of money to such areas. Social Security disability is also used by poor states to get people off their welfare rolls.

Infrastructure costs are U shaped where extreme density is expensive, but so very low density. Mail delivery is a clear example where ultra low density just makes things more expensive.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by CerealFounder on Monday December 21, 2020 @01:02PM (#25497497)
LOL. Should some dude in Montana get to use an iPhone because it was funded in California?

The selective "my tax dollars would never" is anti-american