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Re:Justin Amash Introduces Bill to End Civil Asset Forfeitur... by Spivak on Friday December 18, 2020 @12:40PM (#25469660)
I agree with you but the parent’s point still stands. This is how the courts have allowed suits to go through in more than just civil forfeiture cases. If the property isn’t legally yours then you can’t possibly claim property ownership rights to it. So you “sue” the property and have all parties who believe they have a claim to it be parties in the lawsuit. It’s a quirk of the legal system. In practice it’s still the gov’t vs. the original “owner” fighting over who owns it.

It can’t be theft until after the courts decide who owns it. Then it can be theft.

Re:Justin Amash Introduces Bill to End Civil Asset Forfeitur... by jtbayly on Friday December 18, 2020 @01:33PM (#25470275)
Wrong. It's theft at the very moment that an unjustified seizure occurs. The recourse you have is to convince a court to declare it theft and force the taker to give it back. But the court's declaration is only a legal thing, not able to define reality.
Re:Justin Amash Introduces Bill to End Civil Asset Forfeitur... by ouid on Friday December 18, 2020 @02:18PM (#25470787)
Well, since property is an abstraction that is dependent on your relationship with the government, what you are calling reality is also a legal thing.
Re:Justin Amash Introduces Bill to End Civil Asset Forfeitur... by jtbayly on Saturday December 19, 2020 @09:35AM (#25477631)
I’m not saying that it’s not also legal in nature. What I’m objecting to is philosophizing that ends up saying “It’s not wrong unless you get caught.”