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Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send... by webmaven on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:07PM (#25457502)
> it just seems so easy to find counterexamples to racist ideas. hate black people? surely i can introduce you to one who is pretty cool. hate whites? they aren't all bad.

The problem here is the presentation of a counterexample in this way is casting it as an exception, and implicitly confirming the validity of the negative stereotype as the default assumption:

This is also the underlying problem with certain compliments, eg. "Wow, you're a really good developer (unlike most women)!", "You're so well spoken (unlike most Black people)!", and so on.

Given the human ability to rationalize, even a never-ending flood of in-your-face counterexamples is more likely to provoke reactions like "Well, women are just less talented developers on average, of course there are exceptions", and so on.

Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send... by herodoturtle on Thursday December 17, 2020 @01:46AM (#25453268)
> here's a conjecture: maybe racism is not real, maybe it's something that seems real but isn't, like "evil".

In South Africa they teach young schoolchildren about the country's apartheid history (and knowing this history is a good thing, because it provides context for the country's modern day inequality).

Sadly there are some older generations who have oppposing (and often contradictory) views of exactly how and why said history played out the way it did.

This disagreement of history often leads to modern day racism.

Sadly it's here to stay - at least for a while still - but I do hope that one day it becomes a thing the past.

EDIT: I see you removed your opening line. Leaving it here for context to my comment.

Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send... by bisectable on Thursday December 17, 2020 @02:10AM (#25453378)
Yugoslavia is a cautionary tale. Humans (and possibly much older than humans) have an builtin in-group / out-group mechanism which, left unchecked, leads to widespread ethnic hatred. It doesn't take much to prime the bomb besides a steady dose of confirmation of the other group's evil ways, of which we have an ample supply thanks to the proliferation of sensationalistic (social) media. Our lives have become an incessant outrage stream. The clock is ticking...

Hacker culture was born at the zenith of American liberalism, just after its ideals had triumphed over Soviet Union's self-destructing spiral. Those times may never come back, and liberalism itself is on life support :(