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Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by TT3351 on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:07PM (#25426892)
Often in histories of slavery, the slaves don't speak. If you want to hear their voices, read "Slave Testimony," edited by John Blassingame. It's stunning in length and detail. Not all suffered the same slavery we know today.

This passage is by an enslaved (interviewed by the American Freedmen's Inquiry Commission) in Kentucky, 1963, named Charlotte "I belong to Gen. Thos. Strange. I have two boys. I pay a dollar a week to him, and support myself and children, and pay my house rent. I have been hiring myself for over fifteen years; I get along very well, and keep the hire paid up. You couldn't pay me to live at home, if I could help myself. My master doesn't supply me with anything -- not even a little medicine -- no more than if I didn't belong to him. Each of my children pays him $2.00 a week. They work in tobacconist shops. I support them. One of my boys is thirteen years old and the other seventeen. They get $2 a week pay. If the boys make more than $2 a week a piece I get what is over; if they don't make that, I have to make it good to him. He has got to have it Saturday night, sure. I have not had good health. Sometimes I am ailing, but I always keep up enough to try to make my wages. I have only one room, and pay three dollars a month for it. I live by washing."

Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by danans on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @12:21AM (#25427297)
> Not all suffered the same slavery we know today.

What is the "slavery we know today"?

Do you mean "American slavery as we understand it today", or "Slavery in the current day"? If the former, then how is the passage you quoted different from our understanding of American slavery? Do you mean to say it was better, worse, or in some other way different?

Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by alisonkisk on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @12:27AM (#25427323)
Charlotte's family weren't the well known field slaves or house slaves. They were tenants, renting their own lives from their legal owner for $2/week.
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by bigyikes on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @01:05AM (#25427497)
What does it even mean to rent from somebody that owns you?
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by frEdmbx on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:36AM (#25428254)
Imagine taxation, or inflation of a fiat currency with legal tender laws forcing acceptance.
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by Frondo on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @04:23PM (#25435447)
It is extremely offensive to compare chattel slavery with living in a society that requires you to pay taxes.
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by frEdmbx on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @12:17AM (#25439351)
"Offensive" means nothing today, and I'd suggest you stop allowing yourself and others to waste your time with it.

Have you actually compared the two? You'll notice one is far more insidious if you do.

Also, don't conveniently leave out the inflation of the world reserve fiat global enslavement system.

I know we can always opt to live in the woods, and barter, but you've got to take both into consideration to honestly consider what it is I said.

Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by TT3351 on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @02:11AM (#25427805)
Specifically slavery was more varied than "American slavery as we understand it today." The passage I quoted is different, in that it departs from the traditional model of plantation based, field labor slavery. It is still reprehensible exploitation, of course. It's just important to remember/question how diverse people's experiences actually were.
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by jpster on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @08:51AM (#25430259)
I’m trying to see something:

“Not all suffered the same Holocaust we know today. It’s just important to remember/question how diverse people’s Holocaust experiences actually were.”

Maybe it’s just me but these type of statements seem to miss the point. Given the deplorable state of American understanding of slavery, Reconstruction, the state-sanctioned apartheid that only ended a few decades ago, and all its effects that continue to reverberate, I don’t think “a nuanced understanding” of slavery is really what’s called for. The evidence suggests that most Americans never even learned the ABCs of slavery and its effects.

Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by pushECX on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @01:45PM (#25446587)
The parent comment you're responding to didn't downplay slavery in any way, nor did they say that this person had it better or worse. Just that this person's experience was different. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that slavery didn't always look the same as we may imagine. There were varying experiences. It's history.
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by ptr2voidStar on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @01:53AM (#25439826)
Thank you! You summed up my feelings (about the comment you responded to), perfectly!
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by TT3351 on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @10:23AM (#25431091)
Because a proportion of America has been poorly educated, it's inappropriate to interrogate the primary sources slaves left behind? I don't follow.

Yeah, obviously we need to fix the appalling state of our Civil War and slavery history in this country.

Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by jpster on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @10:47AM (#25431311)
Does the account you posted here resemble most of the chronicled experiences you’ve encountered?
Re:Who Were America’s Enslaved? New Database Humanizes the N... by TT3351 on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @11:27AM (#25431751)
Nope! Never said it did. EDIT: Literally just picked a random (that I thought would fit in the space I had--didn't want to go over-long) passage from the Freedman's interviews section of the book.