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Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by motohagiography on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:33AM (#25418664)
Is there a use case for ML where it is not perceived as predatory by its human subjects?
Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by CodesInChaos on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:17AM (#25419249)
There are plenty beneficial applications of ML. Some examples I came up in 5 mins:

* Recommender engines (e.g. music similar to the one I'm listening to)

* Spam filters

* Gmail's email classification (not sure how well it works in practice)

* OCRing documents

* Automated video transcription

* Opponents in games

* Face unlocks for phones

Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by tristor on Monday December 14, 2020 @12:41PM (#25420492)
> * Recommender engines (e.g. music similar to the one I'm listening to)

Is only ethical when opt-in, otherwise it violates user privacy to build preference profiles and requires additional private data to make accurate inferences.

> Face unlocks for phones

Heavily racially biased. Facial recognition in general is heavily racially biased.

Other than that, I guess that's a good list. If ML stayed in those arenas it might be a net good, unfortunately those things on the list are mostly side-effects rather than targeted intentions from where research is going (where it's funded). The vast majority of ML/AI work is focused on hijacking people's private data to steal their attention and psychologically manipulate them.

Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by UnFleshedOne on Monday December 14, 2020 @03:17PM (#25422665)
"Not working as good" is not the same as "actively working against". Unless of course a perfect Aryan visage serves as a master key to all face-locked phones.
Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by bobyfyfy on Monday December 14, 2020 @04:26PM (#25423567)
The question wasn't "which ML use cases are potentially good", it was "which ML use cases are seen as predatory by users". So it doesn't matter that face detection has the possibility to be good, it's currently bad
Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by UnFleshedOne on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @12:07AM (#25427217)
Bad, but not predatory. For example most speech recognition systems I tried often produce hilarious results with my accent, but I don't feel the tech is out to get me, it is just less than useless.

On the other hand something like ad-tech feels more dangerous the better it works, to the point that I employ active countermeasures.

Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by masswerk on Monday December 14, 2020 @02:41PM (#25422188)
> Recommender engines

Not so sure about these. Personally, I mostly feel deprived of options. (E.g., I guess, there are some videos uploaded to YT every day, and there must be more than some 3 months old news clips and those videos I've already seen, but it has actually become hard to learn about them. Therefore, in my personal YT universe, human creativity came mostly to a stop.)

Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by emiliobumachar on Monday December 14, 2020 @02:52PM (#25422328)
Most new cars sold in Brazil, for over a decade now, can run on gasoline or sugar-cane ethanol, or a mix of both in any proportion. One can fill up with either or both without bothering informing the car, and when turned on the engine will quickly adjust to the mix present. AFAIK, that adjusting is mostly ML.
Re:How to Talk When a Machine Is Listening: Corporate Disclo... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:58PM (#25425135)
Machine translation. Dictation. Assistive devices. Robotics. Control systems. Protein folding. Search that's better than ctrl+f. Helping you find a good movie to watch tonight. And much much much more.