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Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by UncleMeat on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:13AM (#25417724)
I don’t want heroes on my team. It isn’t sustainable. Heroics are discouraged in performance reviews and promotion considerations. Nobody will die if people aren’t working nights and weekends. If I see people engaging in what seems like heroics I will have a very serious chat with them to understand why they are doing it and make absolutely certain that it isn’t coming from any pressure to do so.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by notwedtm on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:37AM (#25418008)
This reads like an idealized version of reality. Budgets exists, deadlines are a thing. "Don't be a hero" sounds like the mantra of an HR department at an insurance company; not what you want to hear from a founder trying to disrupt an industry.

Heroics can exist without them being a standardized thing. There are occasions when you need people who are willing to move mountains to get something done, and demonizing those kinds of efforts and the people who engage in them will make them scarce when you actually are in need.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by cat199 on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:50AM (#25418167)
> a founder trying to disrupt an industry.

a founder should be 'trying to' make a quality product that fits a need, not 'disrupt an industry' - 'industry disruption' is a consequence, not a goal - if one is seeking the latter without focusing on the former, ones priorities are skewed, and likely for reasons of promoting one's own self-importance.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by tharne on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:00AM (#25418291)
> a founder should be 'trying to' make a quality product that fits a need, not 'disrupt an industry'

This 1000%.

The frequent use of the term "disrupt", just shows how much the culture has descended into degeneracy. When entrepreneurs and their backers are no longer making even a pretense toward things like progress, improvement, or even just running a profitable business, you know things have gotten bad. It seems like the model now is, "Hey, let's see if we can f--- up industry X, who cares if we actually improve anything or if our business is even viable, so long as we turn some established part of the economy on its head."

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by a123b456c on Monday December 14, 2020 @12:19PM (#25420156)
> The frequent use of the term "disrupt", just shows how much the culture has descended into degeneracy.

This is an extraordinary claim.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by tharne on Monday December 14, 2020 @12:43PM (#25420524)
> This is an extraordinary claim.

How so? I would argue that folks using millions of dollars in investment capital with no real goal other than to cause disruption, regardless of whether it helps anyone or even creates a viable business, is what's extraordinary.

Think for a second what a dumb goal 'disruption' is on it's own. That's what bored 15 year old's do to amuse themselves, they disrupt and break things simply to see something, anything, happen. As an earlier commenter pointed out, disruption is often a side effect of making a large change in an industry, typically in business this has meant changing something for the better.

When the side effect of causing disruption becomes the main goal of a business owner rather than creating value of some sort, I really don't know what to call that other than degenerate behavior.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by dukes82 on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:22PM (#25426591)
This evokes a disturbing image of VC's gambling on disruption events, the human costs and other consequences immaterial. Very well put and I wish this viewpoint could be spread further, I found it illuminating.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by Frondo on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:09PM (#25424057)
"Move fast and break things" has a human cost, always, and at times the human cost can be tremendous. Ignoring that human cost is always a little sinister.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by ryanSrich on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:07AM (#25418371)
Semantics.

Founders building potentially billion dollar businesses (not $10m lifestyle companies) need to have a psychotic drive to achieve that goal.

That often creates tough work environments in the early stages of the company. To many people, failing to build that billion dollar company is the same as outright failing completely. They’ll do whatever it takes to get there. I’ve worked with engineers and designers that like this type of environment. I’ve worked with others that thought they did until it came time to actually pull an 80 hour week.

EDIT: Several downvotes, but only one reply. If you have issue with anything I said I'd appreciate a response.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by danielblank69 on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:51AM (#25418907)
I love it how you casually mention $10m lifestyle companies as a chill, comfortable goal :)
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by ryanSrich on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:54AM (#25418947)
I mean, does it really make sense to target a goal of $10m valuation for a VC backed company?
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by danielblank69 on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @06:23AM (#25441358)
Of course not. But it is not much easier to build a $10m lifestyle biz without VC help.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by cat199 on Monday December 14, 2020 @01:47PM (#25421433)
this entire thread is about the 'semantics' of work effort - what constitutes 'heroics' and if they are needed / not needed, and what that indicates/does not indicate about the goals/motivation of the person involved -

Irrespective of whether one is building a potentially billion dollar business or 'only' a 10m lifestyle company, the goal and focus should still be on the usefulness of the product and fitting market need, and not 'disrupting an industry' with the product as a side goal - if it's the latter, it indicates the priorities are skewed; from experience, usually when 'heroics' are involved or priorities are skewed, it's ego to blame and not some external requirement.

Further, 'heroics' are context-dependent - if the external requirement actually requires what would be 'heroics' in a normal situation, 'heroics' are simply 'duty' in that case, and there exists a 'that case heroics' that would still be 'heroics' (and therefore indicative of likely-ego-driven skewed priorities)

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by mandelbrotwurst on Monday December 14, 2020 @12:42PM (#25420500)
I didnt downvote you but I'd guess it's because you're calling something "psychotic" that many on this forum aspire to or at least respect.

Maybe you meant something more like "extreme" ?

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by michaelcampbell on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @08:23AM (#25442182)
> you're calling something "psychotic" that many on this forum aspire to or at least respect.

Both can be true. You've no doubt seen the CEO/psychopath studies.