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Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by ClumsyPilot on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:11AM (#25416389)
Salads are economic to produce because they have no calories.

Calories = Light (energy) + Fertiliser.

Efficiency of an LED is like 40%, and Photosynthesis efficiency is like 2%.

In other words calories are expensive and ineffieicent to produce through artificial lighting, no amount of 'startuping' will change that.

Also nothing here is new, we've had greenhouses, artificial lighting, hydroponics, aquaponics, aeroponics and even vertical farms like 50 years.

Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by patall on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:19AM (#25417139)
While your premise is probably right, note that the 2% efficiency of photosynthesis is for sun light. Growth lamps such used here will certainly emit at wave length optimized to the absorption spectra of the crop.
Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by elgaard on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:49AM (#25416840)
Yes, we could use some numbers here. I.e., how much energy would it take to grow one kg of potatoes in artificial lighting. Compared to how much it takes to transport it by ship from Morocco to Copenhagen. Or by an electrical train from Spain.

Production of electricity from wind turbines fluctuates a lot. So does the price. I wonder if there are plants that you can give light when it is windy at any time of the day and leave in the dark when when electricity is expensive.

Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by vbezhenar on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:50AM (#25416855)
There are some things that were not available 50 years ago. Better robots, better accumulators, flying drones, image recognition, AI able to make complex decisions. Those things might reduce need in humans and humans are not cheap.
Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by cultus on Monday December 14, 2020 @01:42PM (#25421374)
A flat farm, everything else being equal, will take less humans. There's nothing about being indoors and vertical that is a magical advantage for mechanization. There's also a lot more mechanization necessary in dealing with vertical farms. All of a sudden you have to transport soil, fertilizer, and harverst vertically in addition to horizontally.

Already, wheat fields can be tilled and harvested by autonomous combines. Direct human labor is basically down to picking fruits and vegetables. Most of the time, it's going to be cheaper growing something outside, in the sun and dirt that's already there.

Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by ClumsyPilot on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:55AM (#25418223)
Thats true, but all of those things work just as well in a normal horizontal greenhosue that takes maximum advantage of the sun , or even in the open field
Re:Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind an... by the8472 on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:47AM (#25418838)
> no amount of 'startuping' will change that.

Well technically, if you could increase the photosynthesis efficiency then it might. There are projects that aspire to do just that. If the results are somewhat fragile and wouldn't survive in the wild then this could work in combination with greenhouses or vertical farms. But yeah, that's quite speculative and until it happens I agree that the energy budget doesn't make much sense.