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Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by prepend on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:58PM (#25411770)
In my jurisdiction it’s illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalk but cars must treat them as owning the lane.

My complaint is about cyclists entering a lane with a car which is super dangerous. Just as it would be for a car to enter a lane held by a cyclist.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by unethical_ban on Sunday December 13, 2020 @08:35PM (#25412482)
Your complaint is confusing. "Enter a lane with a vehicle"? As in, be on the road while vehicles are on the road?

It sounds as if you think, if there is no dedicated bike lane, that bicyclists shouldn't exist.

In many places, legally, vehicles have no more right to the road than bicycles. The "road" is a shared lane for bicyclists and vehicles.

That it is dangerous is the responsibility of all to mitigate, but the multi-ton steel box has the obligation to yield.

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Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by prepend on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:06AM (#25416327)
I don’t think I’m explaining myself properly. I mean that if a car is already in a section of a lane, a bike would ride alongside a car on the left or right side, in the same lane.

Just like you couldn’t have two cars side by side in a lane, you can’t have a bike and a car in the same lane.

We have mixed traffic with bikes and cars on the same road, but they’re supposed to be sequential, not side by side.

Here’s an example of what I mean.

I’m on a single lane suburban road with a line of 20 cars all going 10mph. A bike rides alongside me going 20 mph in the same lane, passing me and other cars. The bike is 1-2 feet away from the side of my car.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Rebelgecko on Sunday December 13, 2020 @07:05PM (#25411829)
In my jurisdiction it's also "required" for cars to give a cyclist the lane, but in practice this doesn't happen and violations are rarely enforced. A cyclist claiming the whole lane is also more likely to be on the receiving end of road rage
Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by prepend on Sunday December 13, 2020 @08:21PM (#25412333)
Again, I’m not saying that cars are perfect. I was just pointing out how I frequently see cyclists breaking traffic laws and norms. I don’t think that because cars are assholes that bikes can be too.

Do you think it’s appropriate that a bike passes a car in its own lane? Do you think the law should be changed to allow this?

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by addicted on Monday December 14, 2020 @03:05AM (#25414610)
And do those cyclists “being assholes” kill 50000 Americans a year? Or even close to the proportional equivalent?

The fact that people driving 2 ton steel killing machines complain about cyclists being “assholes” when it’s overwhelmingly their killing machines that, you know, kill cyclists, pedestrians, and other people in killing machines, is a remarkable display of entitlement.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Rebelgecko on Sunday December 13, 2020 @09:24PM (#25412838)
>Do you think it’s appropriate that a bike passes a car in its own lane?

This is entirely situational. There are cases where it is OK and there are cases when it isn't.

There was an Uber blocking traffic on my street today and I went past them. It would be ridiculous to have to just sit behind the car until their passenger showed up, and I'm sure as hell nit gonna ride my bike into oncoming traffic

>Do you think the law should be changed to allow this?

It doesn't need to be changed. The law in my state already allows this under many circumstances

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by apocolyps6 on Sunday December 13, 2020 @09:16PM (#25412777)
> I frequently see cyclists breaking traffic laws and norms.

More frequently than cars? There are over 5 million car crashes in the US every year. 30,000+ people killed.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by cratermoon on Sunday December 13, 2020 @08:38PM (#25412509)
Do you think it's appropriate to blame the victims?
Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by noobermin on Sunday December 13, 2020 @08:38PM (#25412506)
You are contradicting yourself again and somehow still are not getting it.